Following the five convictions, the man who led the investigation, detective superintendent Joe Jackson, received several letters from grateful Wine Alley residents. J. N. REILLY There is a war on. It was a them and us attitude that persisted right up until the Wine Alley was demolished in the late 1990s. So, has Glasgow and other cities always been in the hands of comprehensive planners who take an overview of all the parties involved? [27], In 1971, Upper Clyde Shipbuilders went into receivership and the Conservative government led by Edward Heath refused to give them a 6,000,000 loan. Old Photographs Govan Glasgow Scotland tourscotland 31K subscribers 111 27K views 5 years ago Tour Scotland wee video of old photographs of Govan, Glasgow, on the south bank of the River Clyde,. From 1815 onwards, a total of 67 men and four women were hanged at the Glasgow Green site, which was once known as Jail Square. Lots of other good memories but also remember the terrible fires which took place. View listing information for 7285 Hedgerose Drive, Cumming, GA, 30028. Eventually, my dad arrived asking if anyone had handed in a wee lassie. [9] It had also been parodied by the BBC Scotland television comedy series Rab C. Nesbitt, with Wine Alley and the wider Govan area the stated setting for the show, though episodes were seldom filmed there. I lived at 2 Robert street, Govan, we moved there from Tower Street, Kinning Park, I went to Harmony Row school (1959/60) then moved up to Hills Trust primary and after that went to Broomloan Road secondary school, that was shut down and we were moved to Govan High comprehensive around 1967/1968. My sister and I were married in 1961 at Govan Parish where we were members. I remember our next door neigbours on the ground floor the Meechans and particularly John,who was around the same age as myself. My sisters were Elaine & Brenda and my brother was George. Police enter in twos with another car on standby. They suggested that the hill may have been a 12th-century Norman motte. Good times we had, wonder where they all are now and if they remember me. My Mother took me to the Southern and a giant black man came in. I have lived in Australia since 1969. 11 a.m.-8 p.m. Monday . Does anyone remember going out the back courts and jumping over them? That is why this Reflection will critically examine the Moorepark experience (within the context of community planning) from before Darners time to the 1970s and the present, where it will question if there have been any real changes in attitudes between then and today or worse, are the same mistakes being repeated, and is proven good work being ignored? During my first year studying sociology I came across Damer again in the form of a book that he had written about poverty and deprivation in the Wine Alley but put it to the back of my mind. Read More Hi Catherine, I also lived at 100 Harmony Row and also live in Canada. Site Number NS56NE 4994. I worked there for a time early 60s I left in 1962. And I went to see Grease at The Liceum on Govan Road. We went back to Govan until we could get passage, and I attended Bellahouston Academy. My dad was Boaby Rodgers he got knocked down and killed when I was 3 in 1964 and my mum was left a widow with 4 wee girls. This work was focused on parent-child. Has it always been a democratic, progressive authority and, is it so today? The Old Govan Fair. Been looking at the old pictures of Govan and wondered if anyone remembers my father's Chemist/Optician shop at Govan Cross near Helen St, 830 Govan Road. He was able to give police precise details of the drug operation Burnside was running and the names of his associates. the 550 tenancies available, only 33 (16%) were identifiably from Govan itself. I was born at 17 Holmfaulhead Drive, Linthouse in 1947 and went to Elderpark School. JAMES D. YOUNG Culture and Socialism: Working-Class Glasgow, 1778-1978, The future of Technics and Civilisation Lewis Mumford, The intellectual life of the British Working Classes. Yup I'll always be from Govan even though we lived a bus ride with the messages away from it in Shieldhall, that was situated near to the 50 pitches, I remember well my Dad and me watching the shipyards football competitions. By the early 80s, much of the place had acquired an air of dilapidation and neglect. Good memories. Interest. 100m Freshair Salon . Would love to hear from you. He thought that important questions are never asked because mistakes in the finish of the whole are not seen until it is too late. Govan (/vn/ GUV-n; Cumbric? Former. inaccuracy or intrusion, then please I would say about 90% of them never stayed in the winey they probably stayed kintra st, briton st, brighton st or clynder st etc but never the winealley. I used to walk up Neptune Street between the two grandparents homes, but even that seems to have been cut off. Our first daughter was born in 1962, and then when she was six months old, we went to Toronto, Canada. [10][11], The area was associated with Junior football team St Anthony's who had two grounds in the area. (was it Grant's????? I've been back to visit my relatives several times, but the old places are gone. Then the place just went to pot. I think the whisky bond was one of them. I recall going to the Co-op hypermarket on a Saturday morning for messages. 123m New Cafe India Govan . It meant that the police had two key surveillance points, one in Wine Alley itself and a second from the high-rise. Impressed by what they had done, the European Community allowed an application for major funds, which matched by the City Council (and oth adherents), to such an extent that another 36 blocks in the estate were rehabililitated in the same fashion as the prototype.8, At this point, some may ask, if the residents of such a community could do so mutch themselves, why is authority necessary for community planning? Within a years, Moorepark had gained the abusive epithet of the Wine Alley. I guess I drifted away from Govan for some time although I watched it contract as the shipyard industry faded and that was until my interest was aroused as the company I was working for took up new premisis near the Southern General as it was then. We stayed next door to the Mellon's in 31 Rathlin Street for a short time, I was friendly with your brother Paul. Govan was a wonderful place to start on life's trails. Run by a tall slim guy whose son was a racing cyclist ? Delete. He wanted to discover how and why such places came into being and to see if remedies could be found. The locals in Govan fear that gentrification is making its way in, in the face of community objections.15 If either cop was caught then they were on a hiding to nothing. There were two other sporting venues for local residents and workers located in the south of Govan (with no space available in the industrial northern area at the Clyde): White City Stadium and Albion Greyhound Stadium, both now entirely demolished. Anyone remember the prego cafe and who ran it? In Cowie Street, Kinning Park there was a pub at the corner but can't remember what it was called? During the late 19th century, the population of Govan increased more than tenfold: from 9,000 in 1864 to 95,000 by 1907. This company continued until 1965, when it filed for bankruptcy. Poor health and low-levels of educational qualifications are offered as secondary parts of the equation. In 1855, an elaborately carved sandstone sarcophagus was found during digging in the churchyard. who originated from the Helen Street area of Govan, but are now based further west at Shieldhall. Police Scotland. I attended Harmony Row School and Hills Trust Primary. 4, Soon, the housing scheme had a bad name. She had 3 boys Alex, Willie and Robert. Another is the horses and carts assembled at Harmony Row. You have to take the responsibility for some of that.''. My grandmother's name was Mary Murray she had eight children one being my mother Helen who was born in 1927. Scottish Skier February 15, 2020 at 7:51 PM. In 1996, a team from Channel 4's Time Team programme carried out an archeological excavation at the site. I remember at one time there were thirteen of us staying in the house including the lassie across the street who came to stay for a night and more or less remained there for about five years. Great times. Loving your stories, my nana was born at 15 Elder Street, Govan in 1893. The wine in the Wine Alley nickname was not expensive red and whites like Beaujolais and merlot. It was great reading all the stories. Playing out in the street with our whip and peeries my sisters and friends would have contests to see who could chalk their peerie with the best colour design. HP10 9TY. I was born in Govan in 1950 at 10 Pearce Street across from the P.I., there was only one close in Pearce Street. When Damer returned to the area in 1989 he found that his earlier report had had two outcomes. Not a penny in our pockets other than the price of admission to the pictures on a Saturday afternoon and some extra for some sweeties, I remember my grandmother used to give Helen my sweetie coupons from the back of the Ration Book, as she had such a sweet tooth that she would have ate her way through February and March coupons even though it was only January and stores knew we were still going to be rationed for some time to come (I didn't have a sweet tooth so always had coupons to spare). We protect your brands globally and help consumers find your wines. However, the dealers were less careful back in Wine Alley where they thought they were untouchable. I was wondering if anyone had any information on the McSherry family? C/o Jones Lang LaSalle 150 St Vincent Street Glasgow G22 5ND AGENT Jones Lang LaSalle 150 St Vincent Street Glasgow G22 5ND WARD NO (S) 52, Govan COMMUNITY COUNCIL 02_073, Govan CONSERVATION AREA LISTED ADVERTTYPE Bad Neighbour Development PUBLISHED 24 October 2003 SITE AND DESCRIPTION I was born at 61 Greenfield street in 1957 we lived above the dairy and I remember the betting shop. sau. Only a few years into it, faults like dampness had begun to appear in the tower blocks of the Laurieston/ Gorbals project, which rapidly turned into a disaster area. Elder park is a mess and all the railings have been taken out. Show More . What a memory. The following year in 1966, the yard was again reorganised as Fairfields and guaranteed by the government in response. Readers comments: You are personally liable for the content of any comments you upload to this website, so please act responsibly. 14 Riverside Changes, 2005, p. 1 Maureen Doyle was my name then. Of In 1973 SNP won a by-election with Margo MacDonald as their candidate. In 1975 the sociologist Sean Damer went to live for six months in Britain's most notorious housing scheme, Moorepark, or as it was known to all The Wine Alley' of Govan in Glasgow. George and Mary Breslin's, 2 boys (Raymond and Michael), William & Margaret Gallagher's boy and girl (Charles and Maureen) and John & Annie Mc Culloch's 2 girls and 1 boy ( Elizabeth, Mary and John) which was us. Today the area is policed from bright new shiny offices opposite Bellahouston Park on Helen Street. It goes on to say that although bad housing design, and the allowance of dilapidation has been part of the problem, still housing is not the whole answer. This present attitude towards housing has serious implications for the future. Lesbian actress Raven-Symone showed off her high top fade and her unique backpack at the Los Angeles Premiere of Fox's 'Empire at ArcLight Cinemas Cinerama Dome in Hollywood, California. My mother, Elsie Walker lived with siblings; Edward, Betty, Beatrice and Edith in Belch Street, it was a small street with only one close and not one single Govan person I have ever met can remember it! Worst of all were the problems relating to the 759 flats and maisonettes in the Hutchestown Area E phase at Crown Street. Naturally the slum dwellers of Govan, who though it their right to have most of the new house in their own locality, were angry and outraged at their expectations being ignored by the authorities. Govan young team. Darner had two criticisms of the improvement programme. Fairfield Shipbuilding and Engineering Company Ltd. 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It brought tears to our eyes as they have destroyed a lot of the buildings that should have been refurbished. [10], Not much is known about any medieval village that may have surrounded the church until 1454 when it is recorded that whole houses, barns and mills in the village were brought down by a great flood. 11 Barr, 1997, p. 47-58 12Dailly, 2005, p. 8 Govan is served by Govan Subway Station, Ibrox Subway Station and Cessnock Subway Station on the Glasgow subway system. 14). 178 9 shares Like Most relevant Denise Mcdonald Many happy memories there in the late 80s and early 90s . [4] In 1864, Govan gained burgh status, and was the fifth-largest burgh in Scotland. It seemed a dangerous idea but worth the risk if they could dent a hole in a major heroin dealing operation. He wanted to discover how and why such places came into being and to see if remedies could be found. [19] It was removed in the early 19th century and Reid's Dyeworks was erected on the site. 8/1. I then went to Govan High, teachers I remember and not with any fondness are Jockey Rayburn (Maths) Duncan (English) and Miss Downny (Maths) who was a lovely teacher, I had two brother George and Stuart who also went to the same primary and also went to Govan High. NGR NS 55416 65081. It was a Magical childhood play area, the closestairs were a Pirate Ship; Hospital; Wee Shop; School, aye in the 1950's we used our imagination rather than computers to stop us being bored! Reply. Comments have been closed on this article. I went to St.Constantines Primary School. Posted on Behalf of Mags Monaghan The "Wine Alley" housing scheme, just off the Broomloan Road, was notorious in Govan and elsewhere in Glasgow as a den of thieves, drunks and drug addicts. Nobody like them in the World. I was born 23 Elder Street, Govan in 1943. I was born Jan 6th 1951 and brought up in flat above Co-op in Helen Street at Govan Cross, I Went to Harmony Row and Hills Trust Primary schools before moving to Pollok when I was 10 .I have 4 brothers Dave, Bobby, Shuggie, all born in Govan ..and Alastair born in Pollok. Co. Ltd., Alexander Stephens & Sons, J & G Thomson, Harland & Wolff and more. It was regarded at the time as perhaps the worst slum in Britain, and the people who lived there were treated like vermin by the authorities whom we treated likewise. In 1885, the yard moved further west to its present site and was reorganised as the Fairfield Shipbuilding and Engineering Company Ltd. [12], There is an oddity whereby part of eighteenth-century parish of Govan (which was in Lanarkshire) is counted as being within Renfrewshire. Encouraging families to participate in the community and to use local facilities and services Ensuring that the voice of those living in poverty is heard Introduction In 1975 the sociologist Sean Damer went to live for six months in Britain's most notorious housing scheme, Moorepark, or as it was known to all The Wine Alley' of Govan in Glasgow. And increase their/your revenues. Situated south of the River Clyde and part of the former Burgh of Govan, it was colloquially referred to as 'Wine Alley' during the mid-to-late 20th century when a housing scheme with a rough reputation was sited there. contact IPSO here, 2001-2023. Around 1963 we moved to Arden where I went St Louise Primary School. The writer on housing problems, T. A. Markus, wondered why many important questions were never asked in the planning process. The layout suited their operations as there were only two ways in and out - making it easy to spot the police. I am researching my family tree and as both my grandparents died in 1990 and 1993 respectively I can't ask them. The owner later came in with home-made tablet for all of us. British Aerospace, established by the same act, was privatised in 1981. Small things eh? We didn't have an inside toilet but had to use one on the landing which served two other families. Just looking for anybody who new the Paterson, dad george known as Geordie and mum Betty, sisters Elaine, Brenda and brother George. Our children and grandchildren have been back many times as well. It was incorporated into the City of Glasgow in 1912.[5]. I was born in the Southern General Hospital in 1958 and lived at 23 McGregor Street, Chookiehill [Teucharhill] as it was fondly called then. Through the ages people have lived in houses, building them according to the climate, topography, the material available, and the social and cultural ideas of the time. SC 020951 The partnership works by: With five suspected drug dealers in the cells and 200,000 worth of heroin seized, it had been a very productive day for the police. I was born and raised at 976 Govan road and remember concerts we used to have round the back for the neighbours and we would make costumes out of crepe paper and sing songs like" oh you beautiful doll you great big beautiful doll". Sometimes it was hillarious, waiting in the queue to get onto that seat, and having to use The News of The World as toilet paper.wow! Most of it has now been demolished to make way for an industrial estate. The two men, working for up to 18 hours at a time, had to be smuggled out before dawn each day. It may have been used to contain the body or relics of St. Constantine, a Pictish king killed seemingly killed by Vikings in 876/7 - the style of carving indicates an origin in the late 9th or early 10th century. 25 bus to the Gladstone Gospel Hall at the corner of Golspie St and Logie St. 8 Markus, 1993, p. 163 Get into Govan. I asked him if I was going to jail, he said not at all and he gave me a sweetie. Glasgow Braendam Link is a Company Limited by Guarantee, Registered in Scotland, No. We lived directly opposite the Steamie and I vividly recall playing ball against the red brick wall for hours. Socialites Karrueche Tran, left, and Christina Milian attend the Los Angeles premiere of Fox's 'Empire' at ArcLight Cinemas Cinerama Dome on January 6, 2015 in Hollywood, California. Yes Danny, Hamilton Street was renamed to Nethan Street between 1931 and 1932. In recent years it has seen major improvements with the building of Glasgow Science Centre and the Glasgow Arc, better known as the Squinty Bridge. In early 1989 police discovered a team of young drug dealers were operating in Wine Alley, led by older man Eddie Burnside. Resolved: Release in which this issue/RFE has been resolved. However, the local paper still remained hostile, hypocritical, and unhelpful about the whole idea. The wines were delicious but unfortunately out of my price range. Rather than go on strike, which was the traditional form of industrial action, the union leadership of the yards decided to have a work-in and complete the orders that the shipyards had in place. It was massive and as a wee girl it was magical, as well as Dands I also remember Bobbys on Langlands Rd, I got my Bay City Rollers trousers there, lol, there was loads of shoe shops in Govan, one was called Cherries I'm sure, also a massive one can't remember name, just round from Burleigh St, a few years back it was Bradley's chemist. We also have a great selection of craft beers! [25], Govan was at one point the centre of the world-renowned Clydeside shipbuilding industry. Next thing, I found myself lying on the ground. Will they be full participants at setting the agenda for their locals or are these just pie crust promises?11 Will the same old story of the past three decades resurface where members of local communities are merely informed or consulted about changes in which they have no say?12 Perhaps one of the worst errors that the new regeneration policy is now making is that of ignoring the potential of local housing organisations as important instruments for inclusion and social capital, and their spill over effects of wider social and economic developments and issues. My cousins and I thought we should try this. Servicii comunitare. The barbers shop was called "Knop & Joyce" and was at 26 Langlands Road, it opened in 1929 and Harry Knop lived in the next close at 34 Langlands Road. I spent 18 months there before being released on a three-year parole where I took a job in the local Cleansing Department as a midgy-man. When all my pals joined the Lifeboys I went along too for 2 weeks, I think the hall was on Portman or Middlesex Street. As for our childhood and growing up in Govan we would never change a thing, there was everything in Govan any child wanted and we never ever suffered from boredom after school, we were outside playing peever, rounders, climbing dykes, swimming at the pool and rolling our Easter eggs down the hill at Bellahouston Park. As the rate of urbanisation has increased in the last 30 years, the government capacity to support the disadvantaged within this sphere has in many cases failed. JEFF TORRINGTON Singing: No, No, Yuppie, Yuppie NO! We used to listen to all the records being played from Munleys on a Saturday morning. The county added to the description of these lands, the phrase: "but now by annexation in the County of Renfrew. Nestled among the quaint streets The latest victory for the SNP was in the 2007 Scottish parliamentary elections, when Nicola Sturgeon became the MSP for the constituency. Sometimes on a Sunday we would go over to Kelvingrove and (if memory serves me) run around the suits of armour until we were thrown out of the Art Galleries. My family lived at 100 Harmony Row, Govan until I was 10 (born 1953), I lived there with my father Guido Gonnella, my mom Susan, brother William and sisters Helen Marie and Susan also lived with us. Editors' Code of Practice. Living Dangerously in Govan by James McDonald. Years ago Govan was a brilliant shopping place. Situated south of the River Clyde and part of the former Burgh of Govan, it was colloquially referred to as 'Wine Alley' during the mid-to-late 20th century when a housing scheme with a rough reputation was sited there. [34], Alexander Stephen and Sons also established a shipyard in nearby Linthouse in 1870. A similar uncertainty existed regarding the nearby lands of Pollokshields and Westends. My granny Flora McFadyen was one of the oldest and longest residents in the Wine Alley. Around this time heroin dealing was rife in Govan, particularly in an area called Moorepark, which was nicknamed Wine Alley. I went to Hillstrust School until I was 10 then we moved to Nitshill which I was not so fond of, Govan was a great place to live we were always putting on concerts round the backs and folk would hang out the windows to watch the performance there was always stuff going on or buss-runs that our streets would organise and the Govan Fair, Govanites were great. Besides, authority cannot work without community and vice versa so there has to be a coming together of both sides and a change of thinking by each about how and why things get done if both parties are to do the right thing. The huge shoe shop was, I think Bayne and Ducketts. It closed permanently to regular passenger services on 9 May 1921. Owned by Harry Knop in the 40s. In 1975 the sociologist Sean Damer went to live for six months in Britains most notorious housing scheme, Moorepark, or as it was known to all The Wine Alley of Govan in Glasgow. The estate was acquired in the 1870s by the Glasgow and South Western Railway Company and the mansion house was demolished. In 1901 Govan was the 7th largest town in Scotland. It is now an industrial estate. Strange thing is that we carried passengers on some days, these passengers had a dinner on board while we discharged the cargo with most never knowing what was happening. Houses are places to live in, either for one person or several. However, there is the potential for tourism development, for example, the planned development of the Govan Old site, which hosts the historically significant stone carvings, has led to the development of the surrounding townscape and new infrastructure. I was born in Govan in 1948 and lived with my grannie in Vicarfield Street, opposite the school. This site is part of Newsquest's audited local newspaper network. I was born in 1961. In 1136, when Glasgow Cathedral was formally consecrated, King David I (112453) gave to the See the lands of Partick and also of the church at Govan (on opposite sides of the River Clyde), which became a prebend of Glasgow. Curtis Govan, 23, was convicted in July of rape, involuntary deviate sexual intercourse, aggravated indecent assault, terroristic threats, unlawful restraint, simple assault, resisting arrest,. 102m Harley's ice cream parlour . Glasgow Crime Stories: The drug nightmare of Wine Alley.

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