On Ts we get served for extreme large cost and rather badly frankly said. I have it is about 5%. How about all products here have no restriction Google search.etc. Of course Matt Wisdom was disoriented and he was associated with Pixel SQUID bankruptcy. I'm not sure about your analysis. Chat with Support 24/7 In CGtrader you can accumulate many until you set up payment agreement. 3dsky.org2. Don't know if it's already mentioned in this thread, but in TS you have a refund system, when customer buyed your product has ability to bring back his money and it'll subracted from your earnings, if he doesn't like a model for some reason. Hopefully that would make squids to react. Machines have already replaced people making their jobs irrelevant in many fields already more and more customer service jobs have become automated, many store sales positions now are not needed because so much is being done online, the tolls on the highways now only use fast track or you get a letter in the mail telling you to pay it because there is no one in the booth anymore so you can't pay it on the road. No matter how many 3D models you need, we'll take care of it. However, probably allot of us silently disagree on how we are treated as artist on places like Ts. If you think life is hard as a buyer you should try modeling for a living Making any money is a truly miserable experience. @Urecky, while i'm agree with you in general, let me argue on some specific points. Cgtrader cannot compare to certain 3d markets. However, I will agree that sales here aren't as good as TS. When you just start out you have to price your models at 1 dollar or give them away for free but the second you start selling well they take your models offline and force you to raise your prices Once you raise your prices nobody buys and you are back to square 1. Fine details have been sculpted on the model down to pores and fine lines on the face and body. 60% cut could be ok if that cost could be added to the product but price guarantee makes that impossible. For example, I ran into this this morning. No matter what the Wisdoms offer you now, they will make you pay x10 later once they are done with their competitors (again). But Also Turbosquid actively promotes models on their site with the use o. CGt embraces all modern communication technologies which is critical to establish such a place. A rig is like a skeleton of a 3D model, which lets you move and pose it with little effort. or do you prefer to do business with companies you trust and feel comfortable working with while knowing you are supporting a #FairBusiness model that in the future will revert in your own direct benefit? --GENERAL--. I'm a bit afraid there's always going to be issues that leaves this community divided, leaving CGpeople with a platform not able to live up to its full potential and leaving 3D print people with a platform not living up to its full potential either. Very soon there will be robots that can scan objects faster than any modeler can model them and then reproduce a print almost instantly in 10 to 30 years 3D jobs will be irrelevant but until then someone needs to really bring CGtrader to the big markets. Turbosquid bites the hands that feed them: Brittney Briere, Sep 18, 09:53 SST: So that is why sites like Amazon are making a fortune. Royalty rate of CGTrader allows the seller to make a model cheaper than on TurboSquid. On other hand I could also think its just some clients that do not care about the price difference, they just prefer using the Ts account. Most small or midsized companies I worked with, did their best to cap their scene polygons at no more 500,000 all models included. This would have probably be true for newcomers 5 years ago, but now that is different. Search is terrible, and lost if you have to go backwards a page. In fact, I had taken deliberate steps to ensure that I included no content in my designs that could even be construed as overlap. TS staff do their best and is not responsible for the strategic choice of TS So click on a category. They should make more effort to advertise. I want to say the following. They're doing competitions, and that attracts artists, at least. It's sad cgtrader promote only printing models and forget about regular models. In this case a collaborative action could be established to make the product more attractive. I deleted my products here and joined sguild again, no reason for staying here. If any of you think this is a show of strength from Matt Wisdom and his Corporate brother Andy, think twice. This conversation has me glued to my monitor, all very well spoken and nailed down to the core. I really enjoy the chance to get to know other people's opinions and experiences regarding how they sell, network and do business and that is something I have only been able to do here on CGT. 3. These people quote Sun Tzu when you talk to them, so guess their future plans for you. The basic approach would be that every user start with a selection of a store template (including own label option and menu creation capability's) and starts filling his store with own products and products found in the large collective database. still turbosquid has the most paying clients. However, fear of losing sales kept me both on Ts and CGt for long time (not liked it). I like how there is no join up fee. Yeah nasty stuff, but hey, I better shut up because I'm one of the hypocrites that keeps supporting that place by having my work on it. Without checkmate Turbosquid would have gone out of business. Once that happens it is goodbye Turbosquid and hello big bucks for all of us at CGtrader. Hi adentonclark, The next thing CGT needs to do is get in with Ebay, Amazon, walmart etc places where everyone buys not just 3D enthusiasts and that regular people trust with their money. Then someone ells will just create another CGt alike and Ts would have to keep buying these places ones a year, and after that it would have to buy them every month. Show more, By subscribing you confirm that you have read and accept ourTerms of Use, max, fbx, blend, uasset, tbscene and more, obj, fbx, unitypackage, prefab, mat and more. If a company like Disney or NASA buys a model at TS, they advertise it as "Turbosquid customers buying Turbosquid models". If you have any questions about these. royalty scale you work up on is all very cool the fact you can print here sell files here and stream files all on one listing CG TRADER FOR THE WIN!!! However, we have detected that you have set your prices back numerous times after we have made appropriate changes. I'm also active for some time on other marketplaces as well (e.g. Also the management is awkward on TS. If you look around on the net on all the various forums everyone always mentions Turbosquid be it positively or negatively. The other issue is that Turbosquid has been out there for longer. taken offline. Please don't get impression that i'm trying to bash CGT, i don't i favor CGT over TS any day, but i want that they up their game in this concurent buisness. By registering you confirm that you have read and accept ourTerms of Use. Market your products turbo squid does that for you i understand but if your trying to sell you have to show the customers where its at. But at the same time they require all rights to the model, and the model is removed from sale at all sites. It needs to be obvious where to go if you want one or the other. The longing to justice is something that cannot be eradicated, the hole of human history shows that clearly. You can enter multiple email addresses separated by commas, Thank you for shopping at TurboSquid. This market is changing rapidly and Ts is not adapting to the evolution of connectedness within the global CG community. You are clearly one of the professional buyers who doesn't take advantage of the system but there are so many out there who do that and 3D sites are beginning to try to safe guard their artist's work by not making it so easy to just get everything you want for free. But we forgot about the buyers. Logout from your account and go to CGTrader home page. In previous post the buyer mentioned he don't get reputation points for buying models? The claim Turbosquid made was that it infringed on Games Workshop IPs. I am huge fan of the CGT team because they really try hard to make us happy. To my amazement something ells also happened, there where still a few people buying my more expensive models on Ts. Thanks for dropping by and great news about an eventual homepage re-design. From buyer perspective, i think CGTrader also have lots of advantages. So even if TS takes 60%, I still make better profit there because here I get 94% of nothing. However, the use is allowed if the MMO is a closed MMO, like World of Warcraft. When a buyer leaves a bad rating for a lame reason , TS investigate and contact the buyer and if he doesn't give a serious explanation, I'm planing to start new discussion on this topic in near future, so i won't go into details here, i'll just ask did anybody tried to enter same keywords in TS and CGT search field? Every freelancer is corporation of it's own. Then we're all back at Square one again. [http://www.google.com google5 ] There is plenty of "undercutters" everywhere and some short-sighted content developers that seem to only care about quick cash-grabs and most of the time doesn't even have enough data to state a valid opinion based on the contrast of facts over medium-long periods of time. The first thing you see is almost only 3D printing assets. Ebay and Amazon would be great for the cartoony non realistic stuff as well as 3D prints so long as people make sure to document the files appropriately and let people know it is 3D and not real. Such an arrogant attitude. That is the most important reason for them to be on CGTrader and it is essential to reward them for helping artist and the site earn money! This would be a really good way of encouraging buyers to come spend their money on CGtrader where they can find what they want faster than on other sites. That is very strong argument in favor of CGT, but then again, don't you think that corporate client would rather choose to get support from team of profesionals that are available 24/7, than from unknown person, who might respond with big delay or not respon at all? disavantages: low budget clients willing to get low quality models for 5$. We can't even communicate on Ts, and that in an age of supper connectivity, it's just the world on his head. And if the buyer sees one and the same model on CGT and on TS, then the price will choose on CGTrader [/quote] Professional Rigged 3D Female Models Toggle Navigation; 3D Models New & Unrated Rigged Price. All that time that we didn't have to spent dealing with Turbosquid bad support went to more time for artistic work. It also seems to me like CG trader is looking out a lot more for the artists. I agree structural arrangements need to be done to support this bud it needs to be done in a way so it supports the main axiom of openness. Animated Lion 3D Model 14. I guess CGTrader should send out advertising to the companies, but I'm sure they are doing/done it already. We will only contact you if there's a problem with an order. CGtrader has already surpassed Turbosquid in every Rank, and it has +1 million visits too: https://www.similarweb.com/website/cgtrader.com/?competitors=turbosquid.com, If anything buyers should get lots of points for buying. CGTrader remains a young and very responsive team and listening to members - it's a great quality. This is my principle decision . No, I don't think it's just about SEO. The motivation to backlink and make marketing efforts for the own store (and the collective trademark ad the same time) would probable also increase. I am hoping that never happens Exnihilum! I have noticed that a lot of artists are moving to Asia to find jobs where they are far better respected and paid what they are worth. Is it fair if I do? Basically, they continue to sell their previous models or are selling non-liquid assets. And good thing that you decided to tell about - such things should go public and be discussed. I did not know about that. It is pretty difficult to find what you want but if you are only looking for free models then CGTrader's search engine is far better than Turbosquid. Chat with Support 24/7 Regarding the support case, perhaps you could share the exact details on the case by a message or email to me (dalia@cgtrader.com) - we would like to look more into it and ensure that no cases like that are unsolved. I think there needs to be a more valued motivation ($) in order to get people rank in great numbers consistently. It is all about customer reputation and perception. In other countries like China film production is far better funded so perhaps CGTrader could try opening it's doors to Hong Kong film studios etc Japan is also far better funded and in fact Turbosquid is also selling models on the Japanese market. And i cannot take care for piracy or stolen models because the 3d stuff will go in piracy anyways, doensnt matter the platform it comes from. Although I agree the presentation of CGtraders home page is heavily focused at 3D printing, NoneCG did not suffer ANY drop in sales. The biggest problem with TS is that it is a pyramid scheme if you have a diamond account you have a good chance of selling models but at the low levels you have no chance. Products are subject to the TurboSquid, Inc. See ourPrivacy Policyfor more information. And even if you sell the same models on other side you can advertise them as being the cheapest here. This use is prohibited if the virtual world-type is an open MMO, like Second Life. Each sold model you can find anyone time in a download center. Thingiverse has allowed licenses to be transferred into another users name, which is very important option if you want to invent something and sell the ownership, else your stuck with it forever. Turbosquid has a bot spying cgtrader prices. The rumour that they can "borrow" models for check-out before buy to particularly trustworthy clients could also be true. Rigged 3D Models | CGTrader 3D Models Buy or download free Rigged 3D Models Rigged 3D models are your best choice when you need a character or object to perform unique movements. Then there is the stupid "reputation" point issue. Yes. My personal experience, having had a short stint as a 3d print seller on Turbosquid, is that they paint with way too broad a brush when it comes to potential IP infringement. Turbosquid immediately shuts any links down. We want to improve the site not make it worse :). TurboSquid is not a company that practices any kind of #FairBusiness, and there is many other cases from other people stating the same for different reasons: You must create a huge hype and create things that are unique and that connect with people. I think arguments of differences in search are irrelevant when someone is looking for the same model to compare prices between the two biggest players. More specifically, the 3D Model may not be exported or sold. So good luck "shopping elsewhere" dear customer, this is turning into a monopoly slaughterhouse and a 3D warzone. Any more than 500,000 polygons in one scene and that will make opening and closing it a really long process not to mention that if you trying to animate something in the scene you may have to keep hiding things in various layers or create the animation in a separate one. When someone uploads a scanned model for 3D printing and tags it as "low poly", the model will appear even where it shouldn't. I agree that these two parts - CG and 3D printing should be split at least externally/ visually. Personally I don' t see anything offending on human body, everyone has one but I respect that it could be offending to someone (especially kids) so it should be censured. The utopian view here is a successful merge of all related activities (or at least part), connecting as much people as possibly can that are doing something that could potentially involve 3D, and in doing so eventually streamline part of the global 3D marketplace and increase the amount of successful transactions between many possible parties. That is where the true value of 3D is today but unless someone can show the masses that this kind of thing can be done at a reasonable price ,(based on market value), then 3D will continue to be a half dead market until it will die completely because robotics have reached an advanced stage where they will soon be able to replace artists. Look for the big picture and think medium/long term. Sales site defending exclusivity trying to find ways to seduce (like the famous CheckMate) but this has no return. Be very wary when the artist is from India or other similar countries. So i need to try to make money with my models as long as possible, means as long it is not uploaded to anywhere else. But it should be also possible to turn this filter off. There is a lamp that looks pretty cool (Gervasoni Bolla Floor light), and is supposedly free. but outside of the fact cgtrader is 95% designers and 5% customers its way better and easier to use more professional looking and feeling. Maybe it is unnecessary complex? Despite offering models much cheaper (obviously) here than at TSquid, the clients prefer to buy on TSquid. Yes you are right Zet! (These stats can be confirmed as true by CGtrader staff, we have no problem with that). And it is convenient for the buyer and profitable for the seller. "TurboSquid Support, Jun 20, 08:14 SST: I'm about to bail on this site now - unless I can find any other topics that I might be qualified to post toapparently if I'm friendly enough I can earn some points, but it's seriously unlikely that I'll find any topics to which I can actually contribute. Add a Payment Method, Add a Payment And IMHO search is an area where CGT shoul focus first. In other words as an artist in TS you are not so well protected, as it's here at CGT. Products are subject to the TurboSquid, Inc. Think about your future: So the staff there tries to work 3D Bala - Female Rigged Character 3D model ma, ma, obj, and fbx TurboSquid : , , 3D . @tomislavveg, that is very true, but as marvimation already mentioned, CGT first have to draw those buyers to its web, otherwise there's not much use from all those benefits if there's no buyers who could reap them :]. Renderosity. We'll let you know about that soon - all CGT sellers will receive via email, so stay tuned! In fact I hope that once buyers begin to see the difference in quality on this site they will jump ship but the thing that still trips up CGTrader is the consumer confidence. People are followers they have always been and always will be. Here only I have doubts it would be fair to do do is a difference of 20..25% in the price of its models, which are intended for sale in the CGT and TS? I'm not a modeler, I come here to buy models and this site is surprisingly obtuse when it comes to layout. A few weeks later, my first 3d model was sold on TS, while I had to wait 4 or 5 months to get my first sales on CGT, And the sad thing is that those sales concerned only low-priced models. TS removes this rating. Plus, as I saw in another post, turbosquid does not let you post any links. You could say CGt is a service platform that harbors and connects sellers and buyers of specific digital goods, in theory there's no limit to how much people and their digital products/services they could connect. It is also wise to invest in good ideas that are future proof. Change Method. CGtrader is everything Ts is not, CGtader is fair, its open and communicative in all directions, its an inexpensive service, its new and more efficient, has lots of exiting tools, have more sales and get to keep bigger part, its growing fast, its updating and improving fast, etc, etc,. Contact your Shutterstock Customer Success Manager, + blend c4d xsi ma lwo 3ds dae dxf fbx obj X, $10,000 in Legal Protection (Indemnification), Uncapped Legal Protection (Indemnification), $1,000,000 in Legal Protection (Indemnification), $250,000 in Legal Protection (Indemnification). If it is true that other sites are taking a higher margin and a larger slice of profit share, they have some kind of capital to work magic with, both with artists who are accepting less and buyers who are paying more. I sell my shipping container which is professional model according to my buyers reviews . The site owners could also act on other various levels : there is low quality traffic on cgtrader and also became too much focused on 3d printing models so gets affordable if u have many low quality printable models of cheap prices. - Once in a while, alert all designers that a cleaning operation will be made, and wipe out objects that are of a too bad quality or copyright infringements. It is the best RR in the world ! this issue frequently occurs when a seller wants to break a competitor. Personally, I felt I in no way infringed on said IP. I really think that a "designer good practices charter" or something like that could help. I don't know whether it would be possible to implement, but it would stop those who just wanted to download as many free models as possible. In this case the fastest support can not help. I like the deposit proposal of flat_3d, but jet again it probably best be part of a repertoire of marketing tools the designer could choose from, not a global policy. Not artist friendly at all, from uploading to statistics (Model views, downloads, and so on). And also because of the complete isolation of the seller-buyer. Closed my Ts account because it was completely useless and obsolete. It's like if shapeways.com will start selling classic "cg" models. I wish someday Turbosquid disappear or bankrupt. Payout fees are just fractions of percent, not worth to consider. The clients like to waste money for a more expensive model at TSquid, perhaps knowing that the artist will get shafted with a measly 40% return, and that's that. Cgtrader user interface is much more user friendly. The people at the top of the pyramid scheme bully all the new modelers who show any sales success because they barely scrape by as it is so it is really bad work environment to work for Turbosquid is not worth your time. Cgtrader have more favorable royalty rates, compared to TurboSquid. Imagine how much easier it would be for a games company to do a search by typing in (sword, 15 dollars and then 500 polygons. So just to be constructive (and this will be my last post here, because I don't want to hijack the thread anymore, here are some ideas :

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