Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for WW2 British Army MkII Brodie Helmet MkI Liner - 1939, MKII Chinstrap at the best online prices at eBay! If it's a highly desirable unit it drives the price up. A 'no helmet' bare head case was used as a control (denoted BAR). The American M1917 helmet shells were pressed and stamped into bowl shapes by 7 company's they were. Royal Navy who died 15/03/1917 CHATHAM NAVAL MEMORIAL United Kingdom ' Simultaneously, though, the administration of Woodrow Wilson ordered the production of an American-made helmet. I suppose it also is one of the images of the start of WWII for the US with forces in the Pacific wearing it while under Japanese attack at Wake Island and Pearl Harbour. WW2 BRITISH ARMY Staff Officers Cap and Collar Tabs - 26.62. // Stop Define Variables for days of the month Your previous content has been restored. What are the chances that the Big Red One emblem is original? The Brodie helmet, called Helmet, steel, Mark I helmet in Britain and the M1917 Helmet in the U.S., was a steel combat helmet designed and patented in 1915 by the Briton John L. Brodie. liners in them, so it would not matter if you were to put an other makers liner in it as long as it's the same date as the shell. 309.60 Buy It Now. Hello Gents, it's been a long time, but I am back with an ID request. dailyinfo[4]=' Matrose Paul KURZKE Torpedoboot "G85" German Navy who died 04/03/1919 CANNOCK CHASE GERMAN MILITARY CEMETERY United Kingdom ' I am not sure if the colour is original, as most pictures shown here are of a lighter green. and Gen. Hos. This cloth by it very nature blended in well and covered up any shiny paint on the helmets finish. The M1917 Brodie Helmet was manufactured by the Columbian Enameling and Stamping Company (Terre Haute, IN, USA). Indeed, a domestically produced version of the M1 is still in use today amongst the Indian armed forces, as well as several other countries such as Vietnam, Turkey and Colombia, albeit often in a ceremonial capacity. i read threads forum about brodie he He worked at the Houses of Parliament (I cant quite remember what position he held but I will ask my step father tomorrow) and he was good friends with Sir Winston Churchill and attended various dinners with him, one of which we have the original letter and menu for. Related Weapons & Armor. It's definitely a British Mk I helmet. Similarly, the cap, when turned upside down, could be used for everything from a bowl for eating to a washbasin for shaving and rinsing to a miniature bucket. The A.E.F. Are there any markings on the helmet shell - between a rivet and the brim usually? The British Mark I has a rubber ring sometimes called adoughnut sewn between two pieces of wool in the base of the helmet dome. Could be Kenny, it's not a British stamp mark socould have beenmade by one of the allied countries , if, it is American then it could be a M1917AI used between 1936 - 1941, the same period the MKII chin-strap. An update on my helmet: a little light sanding and I was able to find the heat stamp, though this has only raised more questionsthe stamp is XHF. Over time this would nullify any anti-reflective properties the finish possessed thus putting the wearing in danger. stepback_antiques 12 years ago. 2nd Bn. If it is red paint then I would agree with Colin that fire serviceis likely, perhaps even from an RAF base. SHIPPED TO "MRS. C DeSIMONE" IN MARCUS HOOK PENNA" FROM HER HUSBAND "PFC JOE . Early Mark I helmet initially had thisfeature only to be discontinue in mid 1916. Just sold the ARVN ranger helmet. Worcestershire Regiment who died 23/02/1915 LOKER CHURCHYARD Belgium ' More innovatively the steel cap was also used as a multi-purpose device by American soldiers during the Second World War. "We Cannot Always Buy What We Want, But We Buy What We Can". The shape of the helmet was also somewhat similar to the Brodie in that it was based around a circular steel cap which provided maximum protection to the top of the head, with the rim protecting the ears and upper face. You cannot paste images directly. There are 3 letters painted on the front i think it could be either one of these combinations: I guess my difficulty is that discussions about brodies are quite detailed and assume prior knowledge. British chinstrap bail The chinstrap bails on a British Mark I and a U.S. P17 are of a completely different design. During World War 1, the U.S. adopted the Brodie Helmet, also called the British Mark 1. We are born to die, but I appreciate life. Worcestershire Regiment who died 23/02/1915 LOKER CHURCHYARD Belgium ' Upload or insert images from URL. L31cm x D29cm x H12cm. It wasundoubtedly a welcomerelief from having the helmet constantly bounce up and down on the top of the wearer skull while running across no mans land. The steel cap could not be used without the liner, but the liner could be worn on its own and indeed was regularly employed for this purpose in ceremonial settings within the army, or as protective headgear in civil society, by, for instance, policemen and fire brigades. The British effort to do so would result in the Brodie. It it worth noting that while British servicemen were never issued with American helmets, American service men were issued British helmets. We offer a 100% return policy. the problem is that, all the war time services such as the ARP, NFS, and various Civil Defence Units as well as the Home Guard all were. A quick examination of an original example and the brush strokes can easily be seen. Originally this was a hard-hat like support which was designed to fit inside the steel cap, offering comfort, support and an extra layer of protection. var daym=mydate.getDate() Category. The bail holder is secured to the helmets skirt with a steel harness rivet. Thus, over a quarter of a century it had seen widespread service from the trenches of northern France in 1915 to the flight from that same region twenty-five years later, an action which ensured that Britain could continue the fight against Nazi Germany. I always liked the Brodie Helmet, sure as protective as other helmets of the era but a neat helmet. -- Henry Flescher, Holocaust Survivor -- March 14, 1924 - August 29, 2018. Known Heat or Manufacturer Lot code Stamp Marks of M1917 shells. var day=mydate.getDay() http://www.criticalpast.com/video/65675048436_military-helmets_assembling-helmets_dipping-into-paint-tanks_wooden-crates. "Foyle." In conclusion, the M1 can probably be designated as the most successful combat helmet ever made. A Google search only returns one hit-another helmet with the stamp-but I dont see XHF in any manufacturer listings. Is it a BEF or US helmet? The doughnut was added for the wearers comfort. John Brodie designed the 'tin helmet' as worn in WW1, hence its name. 4th Bn. Here is an image ( sorry for bad quality) There are 3 letters painted on the front i think it could be either one of these combinations: By DizzyDeano96 12 months ago. DPB The British troops followed with the Brodie helmet. ", You need to be a member in order to leave a comment. crewnail 2 years ago. The finalised model which went into mass production using Hadfield Steel from late 1915 onwards weighed 2.4 pounds or 1.1. kgs. dailyinfo[16]=' 22659 Serjeant George SNELL Military Medal "T" Bty. Northamptonshire Regiment who died 14/03/1915 LE TOURET MEMORIAL France ' E.G.Budd. View detail. I'm reading about them constantly and have never seen a comparison or "Idiot's Guide". As a result, when the spectre of another war breaking out in Europe raised its head in the mid-1930s the US military were still arming infantrymen with the M1917. . dailyinfo[15]=' SS/342 Able Seaman Henry George SMITH (RFR/CH/B/5534). I am pretty sure the ww2 helmet was worn protecting/ patrolling the British Houses of Parliament after he was injured in standard service. dailyinfo[23]=' 9656 Private Isaac COOPER "A" Coy. dailyinfo[24]=' Captain Denzil Robert THURSTON Air Force Cross Airship Training Wing (Cranwell). While the basic structure of the M1 remained relatively unchanged in the years that followed, the liner went through many different designs. What mythical beast could that be?? Royal Marine Light Infantry who died 17/03/1918 BELLAVISTA OLD BRITISH CEMETERY Peru ' 2nd Bn. As the use of the helmet spread it became known by several other names, including the shrapnel helmet, the battle bowler (owing to its resemblance to a bowler hat), the Tommy helmet (owing to its employment by American troops), the tin hat and the doughboy helmet, doughboy being a widely used name for American infantrymen during the First World War. The British Mark I chinstrap bails are made from 16 gauge brass or in some cases steel wire. It was also in 1916 that the British began supplying large numbers of Brodie helmets to their allies. Discussion board for World War 1 reenactors. You can contact the auctioneer on +353 1 282 6107 for more information. helmets which have a wide range of different paint colours and textures, most of these new helmetswere made in early 1941. The Brodie was the first modern military helmet developed by Britain. 1-877-862-5245; Home; Contact; About Us; Why Top Pots; = Mine Safety Appliance Co - Pennsylvania. The steel for the M1917 helmets was rolled by the American Sheet and Tin Plate Co and were stamped with a Heat or Lot code, The helmet liners were made by 10 Shoe Manufacturing Company's, the shells and liners would be delivered to the. What pattern of helmet is this, and given the unusual markings, is it a valuable relic, or is it some fantasy piece suitable to be stripped and restored to issue green? U.S. M2 Pathfinder camo was particularly favored by members of the 82nd. Identifying a Mk.1* British Civil Defence Brodie. Accordingly the main actors in the war quickly began developing new headgear. Hello Leon. The American shell is heavier. It also depends on where the helmet came from, are you inthe US? It's easy! BlackWatch 5 years ago. 2012-2023 WW2HELMETS.COM. worked in or simply that he worked in a department in a parliamentary house, it's speculative at best I know ?. . The constant handling a helmet would receive in the field would compress the saw dust finish. Please consider supporting our videos on Patreonhttps://www.patreon.com/simplehistoryThe British Helmet in World War IJohn L. Brodie had invented and patente. Clear editor. Not sure why there's a hole in the rim. var fontstart = '' First issued in 1915, The M-15's distinct shape and effectiveness on the battlefield paved way for future . Unlike the ubiquitous Stahlhelm which had been developed by the Germans around the same time the Brodie did not have a nape piece extending further down at the back to protect the neck, however, it did offer greater all round protection from shrapnel descending down into the trenches. W. = Westinghouse Electric Co - Pennsylvania. dailyinfo[14]=' 16511 Private Albert COLEMAN "D" Coy. arrived in France in 1917 wearing wool campaign hats, which would have beenunsuitablefor trench combat. Helmets such as this did not leave the factory this way. Colloquially, it was called the shrapnel helmet, battle bowler, Tommy helmet, tin hat, and in the United States the doughboy helmet. Royal Welsh Fusiliers who died 11/03/1915 FAUQUISSART MILITARY CEMETERY, LAVENTIE France ' H.M.S. Middlesex Regiment who died 25/02/1921 LADYWELL CEMETERY United Kingdom ' on the American helmet they look very crudely overlapped. Available in two sizes: ABB9300-1 58 cm, US 7 (Small) ABB9300-2 61 cm, US 7 5/8 (Large) A note on sizing, larger size liner may protrude slightly from the bottom of the helmet. var year=mydate.getYear() Ones with three holes drilled over the ears on each side didn't pass quality . Colloquially, it was also called the shrapnel helmet or Tommy helmet, and in the United States known as a doughboy helmet. All orders are shipped the same day from within the USA. Thanks for the info lads. Yet its use did not stop there. The MK 1 Brodie helmets are made from original MK2 steel shells have stripped out liner, chinstrap hangers and repainted the shell in the correct WW1 wartime paint then fixed in a 100% accurate reproduction. This was the American M1 helmet, arguably the most iconic and recognizable military helmet produced in modern times. If it is a British helmet, you will find a rubber doughnut in the crown of the helment, and the bales are often installed with split rivets. I'm posting them as quick as I can wrap them up, Haven't tweeted in a while. The liner should be afixed in the helmet using a single copper rivet that is peened. These have some 115716872255 It was superseded by the Personnel Armor System for Ground Troops or PASGT, a combination type of armour consisting of a ballistics vest and a combat helmet. Although a few American troops did manage to get a hold of covers by in large the A.E.F. Leatherwear Co of America - Brooklyn - New York. In 1940 a Parliamentary Home Guard unit "The Palace of Westminster Company" was established, consisting of around one hundred Members and staff of both Houses. I don't think FKS has been definitively pinned down, but most sources say it represents Firth & Sons Ltd. No criticism of you, however the term 'brodie' is a silly collector's term which has no historical precedence (a chap called Brodie designed an early helmet which . accross the pond,? The M1 was only finally replaced as the standard issue military helmet for the United States armed forces in 1983, over forty years after it first entered mass production. Everything for sale on WW2Helmets.com is completely legal to own, trade, sell and transport within the United States of America. BRODIE HELMET $110. Mar 08, 2023 1914-18 WW1 ARMY SWORD & SCABBARD $20. New Zealand Engineers who died 13/03/1918 ST. POL COMMUNAL CEMETERY EXTENSION France '