I dont appreciate you getting political this has nothing to do with it.. Are you referring to the Democratic Party? For me, it is because it is time for truth. Then the board announced its executive committee would be resigning over the next few months. Our enemy loves this. I too have had similar experiences in another church (The Chapel). This should not be! We confronted him basically because of the way he had attacked a youth at the time and his mother for bringing up how the pastor was making this youth to feel. These three men had then joined six other former eldersthese men had all left Harvest entirelyin writing and sending a letter to the current elder board raising concerns about MacDonalds leadership. Updated 11/13/2020 7:31 PM. whos fault is this? Harvest, an off-shoot of an eponymous megachurch in Illinois, was sued for. Jesus taught eternal love. A friend sent a link showing a video of a former Willow pastors return to that church to speak after leaving a decade ago for similar reasons as you left Harvest. Sign up to get our top five trending stories delivered every weekday! Now its a big business with Harvest all over the states. First, they resigned, along with a third elder (who was not excommunicated only because he also left Harvest and was no longer a member), in protest of how the church was being run. Count on it. Church Online is a place for you to experience God and connect with others. For a different church model, see My Dream Church https://sites.google.com/site/mydreamchurch/. MacDonald took an indefinite sabbatical in January, following a tumultuous few months defending Harvest in a defamation lawsuit against its critics and in the aftermath of a World magazine investigation into mismanagement at the church. Please pray for all of the member/attendees who are struggling, as we are grieving a loss of our church base and have felt the wrath, unfortunately. Others lied to me directly for selfish gain. Harvest Bible Chapel has fired its founder and senior pastor James MacDonald following years of controversial behavior, financial scandal and allegations of bullying and intimidation. Sarah, I am so sorry for whatever happened to you. I dont know why, except that I just really wasnt getting the Word of God from the stage and I do mean stage. James is (was) a powerful force which could and did destroy people with his power and influence. Its ironic that you should post this today. Thank you for all you do. Linas post is still available on other mediums, I imagine if she wanted to link it she would have. We need to trust Him. Gods timing is always perfect. You too felt you had to leave Harvest and what was your point of conviction on having to leave the Church ,that we all sacrificed so much for! *Strong Bad: Just for the record, in all kindness Pride goes before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall. So often, you would open your home to us. What had these individuals done? Also note how the apostle Paul called out Peter publicly when Peter was indulging in hypocrisy! Again this is HER TRUTH! Before the article was even printed, Harvest sued Roys, plus two bloggers who've been critical about problems at Harvest. But I lived this in the late 70s and early 80s the scandals of the then big preachers they fell down hard as well. That, apparently, was what it took to get him fired. Constantly made to feel stupid, the youth had had enough so the mom called a meeting with the pastor. As a former Muslim, I grew in my walk with GOD because Pastor James teachings from the GODs Word. One person (not from Harvest) asked if I needed to call the church to cancel my membership. This was encouraging to read and I hope others take it to heart. Im thankful you followed the Lords leading in these stressful and difficult circumstances. Torn between right and wrong. Also, for 2 years I felt my prayers didnt get past the ceiling. The pastor of that church,John Secrest, said he would be uncomfortable with MacDonald preaching at his church and asked Harvest to sever their affiliation. This scandal that were going through has really rocked my world. This team is to be made up of congregants, staff, professionals, and elders, and will be headed by a church member. I am so happy that finally people are standing up and talk about it! Im praying for you. This is why NOW. Please anchor in on John 7:24. In October, the church reported its chief information officer to police for suspected embezzlement. Often no explanation given, and the band plays on. The first one is in the magazine Relevant and looks at the allegations of Anne Green being inappropriately touched by James MacDonald. The elders and pastoral board have created a team called Harvest 2020 to conduct a complete review of what happened, and of the church. 3. Maybe its because youre a doctor and have such a desire to see people healed. Ive always appreciated your candor and honesty, and I think the Lord has gifted you with a strong sense of discernment. You have to leave before you can see clearly. They made excuses for him. I will be praying for you. This comment to Harvest and James is your opinion and you have every right to it. Now that these differences with MacDonald have come to resolution, our focus and full attention are on the future of Harvest Bible Chapel, they said. Also another story emerged on why another person left Harvest Bible Chapel. Also I Cor. I would recommend A book Joy Starts Here and The Pandora Problem Facing Narcissism in Leaders & Ourselves as helpful to possibly understand how whats happened can be explained and perhaps bring healing and prevention as members move forward. Whats also sad is that old witness accounts go to show how truly far reaching and how long this behavior has been going on. Thankful we got left when we did. On Tuesday, Chicago shock jock and one-time friend of MacDonaldMancow Muller aired a series of clips featuring someone who sounds like MacDonald making offensive comments. I didnt want to risk any negative impacts on my own growing ministry. Ive never been able to foster the same level of trust and thats the residual I wrestle with. The people of the church are those we feel we can trust and love. The evangelical megachurch system, where multilayered ministries form around a single persona, leaves ample room for mismanagement and abuse of authority. I am grateful for your courage. Put faith in Gods justice and judgement upon all, now that sin has been exposed. - October 16, 2020 The protracted dispute between Pastor James MacDonald and Harvest Bible Chapel (HBC) recently concluded through arbitration. I do not believe your timing should be questioned. God bless. Until recently, I was 8 year member of HBC and I feel so sad, confused, betrayed. I pray that no stench of fear be found in any space occupied by Christs love. Do you remember how Jesus acted towards the money changers and false shepherds? Its been over a year and a lot has changed at Harvest and a lot sill needs to change. Typical gossips and power struggles are only the surface. Thank you for displaying what an honest and vocal Godly woman can look like. These are the same elders that approved this same law suit to be dropped when James and co. knew that they would have to open all the books and all the dirt would come out! Thank you Lina, Ross, Ross, Church is of the world. The beloved drink is both an attraction and a generational divide. I also was silent about why my family left (also the week following the video). You followed what God would have instructed you to handle this situation.you started by going to the leaders of the church for answers and none were given. The link was in my post above. Thank you for sharing your story and for doing so in the right spirit. I am no one special here. My father went through prostate cancer. The surprise is not Harvest, but that you publicly hung them. A friend sent me a link to sermon about this yesterday: https://radical.net/sermon/kingdom-community/. Dont stop trusting or loving. Mahoney and Bryant shared concerns about Harvests financial dealings, and provided a platform for other former Harvest members, who accused MacDonald of a controlling and abusive leadership style and pointed to an overall lack of accountability for MacDonald at Harvest. On January 16th, MacDonald took an indefinite sabbatical leave. Superior to whom? Elder boards are supposed to create this accountability in these situations, but in many cases these boards are no more than rubber stamps. In another incident at Camp Harvest, MacDonald reportedly stabbed a photo of a former Harvest pastor with a butter knife. I was always greeted with a kiss by a cute missionary girl that went there. Thank you Lina! OnFebruary 13, the elders announcedJames MacDonald had been fired. Yes, I was there for ex-communication video. Muller, who has attended Harvest for five years and developed a friendship with MacDonald, wrote in a Daily Herald op-ed that hed seen the best the church had to offer: MacDonalds punchy sermons renewed Mullers faith, brought his family back into Christian community, and taught him the truth of the gospel. He has harmed thousands of people. I wont make that mistake again. Within days of their statement, MacDonald offered a public apology, admitting to careless and hurtful words and a regression into sinful patterns of fleshly anger and self-pity that wounded co-workers and others.. Division and to take a part a ministry that was reaching and teaching people all over the world. Jesus is still the great healer and restorer. Lina, No church outside of the One True Church Christ began was given His authority to act on their own. After leaving, others came to us, with similar stories of why they left or quit being involved. And, at the same time, I know you to be a humble woman, easily impacted by negative, feedback. It is a really strange thing when persecution comes from the pastor and elders. Ezekiel 22:27: Her princes [leaders] within her are like wolves tearing the prey, by shedding blood and destroying lives in order to get dishonest gain. That is, so many think that the church is the pastors ministry and they dont adequately facilitate the ministry of believers. When someone lies with such ease , that is pathological, and they must be removed from their positions!! Lina is right on. I pray your steps continue to be guided by our Lord! The good intentions of our ministry partnership with Harvest Chicago have been overshadowed by these developments, he said. I have nothing bad to say about Harvest. DIRECTIONS & INFO | . However, he ultimately agreed with the wave of backlash his pastor-friend now faced, condemning how MacDonalds drama had overshadowed Harvest and threatening a class-action lawsuit yesterday if MacDonald remained its pastor for another week. Addressing this following statement from you, By the time I left, I had discovered something dark about myself: I was a woman ruled by fear. Now you can stop going to church altogether and free your mind from religious delusion. The unrest at Harvest began in the fall of 2013, when two elders were excommunicated and another was indirectly censured, Roys writes. MacDonald later admitted doing so but claimed it was all in good fun and misinterpreted. Theres a difference between stirring the pot and exposing false teachers as the Scriptures instruct us to do. Faith is Christ living. I so agree with your cancer analogy as it relates to Harvest. 2023 RELEVANT Media Group, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Every weekday, get RELEVANT's top five articles delivered to your inbox! P.S. Maybe people could handle hearing it better now than then. Wow. Precept Inductive Bible Study for Women. Did you realize elders and pastors are personally apologizing g to people? Im far removed from this situation, but saddened by it nonetheless. Nellie, Thank you for sharing! While tens of thousands flocked to campus, school officials met in a storage closet to make decisions that would honor what is happening.. Besides, pastors charismatic enough to gain large followings frequently have the ability to effectively deflect criticism and keep their elder board firmly on their side. Were they afraid? thanks, I am delighted to hear that. (Proverbs 16:18). But as every Christian knows, we walk and we live by grace. The public scrutiny continued with pushback against MacDonalds decision to preach at a Harvest affiliate in Florida during his sabbatical. Well said. sheripine@cbcglendora.org. Amen Sister! God is using this to grow me as he does in all trials, so for that Im grateful. Harvest used that phrase to manipulate the congregation. Until then, you are still a wolf in sheeps clothing. It was your Study that helped me be obedient to God. Seeing this in your personality it is understandable to me that at first you revered James correction and fell into compliance. Lina, thank you for your post, and thank you for your honesty and transparency. Then, a famous friend of his, Chicago shock jock Mancow Muller, spoke out in a local newspaper against the manipulation and ego he observed around MacDonalds cult of personality at Harvest. Churches Still Depend on Clergy Housing Allowance, No Celebrities Except Jesus: How Asbury Protected the Revival. He is really great at it I give him that. I was so dissappointed to hear that she left. Thanks for speaking up! The Lord knows and he keeps the books. for less than $4.25/month. We are the Church! I knew he wasnt perfect, but then, neither was I, I reasoned. Otherwise, the church must answer the same question, for that is one of the majors that Jesus gave us. Voices heard together make a difference. What you have spoken in the dark will be heard in the daylight, and what you have whispered in the inner rooms will be proclaimed from the housetops.. Thank you for having the courage to write what you did and for your ministry Lina. Because it is time for this cult to be exposed and she is telling her story. He spoke highly of you, and since then, I have occasionally prayed for you regarding your time and experience at HBC. Because evangelical megachurches are typically formed around a single charismatic individual, elder boards are generally loathe to consider letting this individual go. "Following a lengthy season of review, reflection, and prayerful. The Harvest and James MacDonald Controversy Explained, Did Pharaoh Have Free Will? We are to fear God not man. Fear that your leaving would damage those you ministered to. Wake up this tragedy has been in the works a long time. This included an abusive and fear-based culture where those who question leadership are punished, she writes. Im about to lead a teaching tomorrow night about the mark God placed on Cain after he killed his brother Abel. Hi Sally, I have 3 small groups now that are like this but we lack music. My experience was decades ago and in another state. I appreciate the Biblical distinction you made Sheila, in relation to the Bible calling us to be good ; which doesnt always mean being kind and nice. The harsh language of Harvests public excommunication of these individuals did receive pushback, and in 2014, MacDonald expressed regret at the language used, and announced that the church had reconciled with the elders. Thanks for writing it. The Jews ebb and flow toward God followed a pattern. Hoping you come back and teach a book of the Bible. Lina, a number of years ago I was reading one of your books while waiting for Gordon Z. to join me for lunch. I dont take joy in this situation, but I rejoice in the truth. Welcome to Ohio. And the lies werent just shared by James. There are times in our lives and circumstances that its just not real clear as to how to address something, with as little harm to what is good, as possible. 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