A critical analysis has to investigate the accuracy of such claims, so as to judge the validity of the book's conclusions. Griaule did not attempt to explain how the Dogon could know Unfortunately the ancient records contain no clear, unambiguous references to this Sirius lore although the works of historians, astronomers and philosophers were explicit and detailed on innumerable other subjects. ", Temple replied in Fate: "The pattern published in my book was drawn by a professional cartographer who earns his living by drawing reliable maps for an international corporation." In their original findings, Griaule and Deiterlen make no comment about the Dogon knowledge of Sirius B. Tom Sever's "The Obsession with the Star Sirius," and editor Ron Oriti's "On Not Taking it Seriously." stream But didn't Isaac Asimov check over the book for just such factual errors, as the publisher claims? Astronomers Carl Sagan and Ian Ridpath, for example, have suggested that the modern astronomical aspects of the complex Dogon mythology entered the lore only recently, probably shortly before the myths were written down in the 1930s. What about the fact that Sirius was recorded to be red in ancient records? rotation is astronomically possible but whether it is correct or not we cannot yet know. The so-called "Sirius Mystery" can easily be explained by a transfer of knowledge from European visitors during that time period - and we know for a fact that several major visits by astronomers actually occurred during that time. What is interesting is that the Dogon knew about Sirius and its triple star system way before modern science found out its existence. The Dogon myths may or may not be related to these other putties (or even to Kepler's supernova, which has been seriously suggested.) In a recent book, The Once and Future Star (Hawthorn Books, 1977), George Michanowsky identifies "Oannes" as a Hellenized version of the Sumerian name Ea; he None were detected, That was not surprising since, judging from the age and energy of the stars in the Sirius system, astronomers believe it is unlikely that any earthlike planets could exist there long enough for life to emerge and develop. In this weeks eSkeptic, Liam McDaid examines these claims. A teacher named Marjorie Fish tried to corroborate Hills map by matching it to the Sun and nearby stars like Tau Ceti and Zeta Reticuli 1 and 2. The Symbolism of the Tarot: The Minor Arcana, The Symbolism of the Tarot: The Major Arcana, My Reading with Kristine from Psychic Source Review, Get the best Psychic Reading Ever Best Psychics Ive Reviewed, The Cathars: the struggle for and of a new Church, The Strange Stone Discs of Baian-Kara-Ula, William Blake: What paintings of visions come. The book presents the hypothesis that the Dogon people of Mali, in West Africa, preserve a tradition of contact with intelligent extraterrestrial beings from the Sirius star system. Saturn is not, as the Dogons insist, the farthest planet in the solar system. He soon multiplied to become six pairs of twins. Seriously: The Dogon and Sirius? Seeking Clarity? With this, the Dogon mystery comes crashing down. 6, "White Contents [ hide] 1 The Secret Knowledge And Wisdom Of The Dogon Tribe 2 Intricate Knowledge Of The Sirius Star System? I suspect not.". Since Sirius B is a very dense white dwarf star about the size of Earth, it can only be seen in dark skies with medium-sized telescopes. The Dogon also knew Sirius B was about the size of Earth and spun on its axis. Its appearance in the dawn sky over Egypt warned of the impending Nile floods and the summer's heat and marked the beginning of the Egyptian calendar. ), There were Giants in the earthin those days Genesis 6:1. The Nine became part of the UFO and New Age mythology and many claim to be in contact with them. sun and the phases of the moon are more pertinent for Dogon reckoning. The Bad Archaeology page on the Sirius Mystery has summarize the basic details well: In 1976, Robert K G Temple (born 1945), an American living in the UK, published what was to become a seminal work of Bad Archaeology, The Sirius Mystery. Some surviving informants of Griaule who spoke to van Beek made it clear that the Dogon learned about Sirius B from him!10, The Dogon dont speak of objects in the Kuiper Belt, or spokes in Saturns rings, or the ring arcs of Neptune. According to Thomas Bullard, van Beek speculates that Griaule "Legends of the Dogon: belief in a long-solved He points out that the Dogon myths also describe a third star (astronomers would call it "Sirius C"), as yet undiscovered. Perhaps the source was Temple Copyright 19922023. "The ancient peoples were not concealing information from us out of spite," he writes. To penetrate this supposed disguise (which might not be a disguise at all, other classical scholars maintain), Temple resorts to ancient puns, to hidden meanings, to "garbled versions" which he must amend to fit the theory, to the exchange of consonants in innocent-looking words, to similar-sounding words from [12] According to Oberg, the Dogons' astronomical information resembled the knowledge and speculations of late 1920s Europe, suggesting that the Dogon were influenced by European visitors before their mythology was recorded in the 1930s. Whatever their place in the search for extraterrestrial contact, the Dogon myths are certainly odd. mystery resurfaces." Cuddle up with someone. Sirius was already the subject of a mystery concerning the traditional lore of the Dogon tribe of Mali, near Timbuktu in western Africa. According to the Dogon, the instructor gods descended from Sirius and brought knowledge and wisdom. van Beek, Walter E. A. Sagan, Carl. characteristics. The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. For instance, the anthropologist Walter Van Beek, who studied the Dogon after Griaule and Dieterlen, found no evidence that the Dogon considered Sirius to be a double star and/or that astronomy was particularly important in their belief system. Such criteria suggest that these periodic festivals have been going on for at least 600 years and possibly much longer. "Lecture 1st This is strange, because one would think that it would be a major discovery in anthropology. Hmm, The Cardiff Giant, one of the most celebrated hoaxes in American history, on display at the Farmers Museum in Cooperstown, NY. they were not told by beings from the star Sirius.". He shows a total ignorance or disregard for almost every fact in my book, and there is hardly a single thing in his review which is remotely accurate." hVt*f+"c2aC-w.EJ|@F[VXLV~oo>l B>xU.9y'nYnZ6aBlc3y&A%M]XME As an example, Sagan believes that because the Dogon seem to have no knowledge of another planet beyond Saturn which has rings, their knowledge is therefore more likely to have come from European, and not extraterrestrial, sources.[11]. The introduction to his second edition is so full of paranoid theorizing,2 that although it is quoted extensively and interpolated with favorable comments by Michael Bara (or possibly Richard Hoagland), the most extreme conspiracy claims are omitted.3. For Siwa, I called Dr. Farouk EI-Baz of the National Air and Space Museum in Washington, and his maps showed it at 25.50 degE, 29.22 degN (that's the oasis center, with the modern town about ten kilometers SE). This sounds significant and convincing until one measures the distance on a map and discovers an "immensely accurate equality" of a twenty percent difference! Fishs map and Hills map look similar only because the lines connecting the stars look the same. Also if it was seeded by westerners how is the Dogon and surrounding tribes have a fully developed culture and religion structure centered around Sirius going back for hundreds of years? WebThe star Sirius is certainly no stranger to mysteries. by Philip Coppens. The inspiration for this claim was a star map produced by Betty Hill while under hypnosis. One example: "If a Sirius-C is ever discovered and found to be a red dwarf, I will conclude that the Dogon information has been fully validated." The mystery of the ancient "red" Sirius also remains baffling. Astronomers classify Sirius as a "class A" star, hotter and younger than our sun, Its brightness is due largely to its proximity; it is barely eight light- years away from the earth. The immunity of pseudoscientists to criticism is well known to skeptics, yet I was curious. The Dogon. In the 1930s, when their research was carried out, Sirius B was known to have existed, even though it was only photographed in 1970. At least three are farther and at least one of them has rings too. S]V',H79aD>1 Q@d(FOY;"36y0Z{VXEJwOx._tto}#&i|HR-i4 What is interesting is that the Dogon knew about Sirius and its triple star system way before modern science found out its existence. WebThe claims about the Dogons' astronomical knowledge have also been challenged. Ancient The Nommos descended from the sky in a vessel accompanied by fire and thunder. The Dogon are a people of about 100,000 who dwell in western Africa. If I were alone in picking on Temple's thesis, he might be able to argue a case for ad hominem persecution. due to quantities of melanin (Welsing, F. C. 1987. These same myths, Temple claims, identify a planet circling that star as the home of Nommo, an alien creature who founded the Dogon civilization. Giants appear in cultures around the world: Biblical tales of giants more than ten feet tall; Roman and Greek stories of titans and heroes; European stories of giants of mountain and hill. In other words, the Dogon tribe would not only need the knowledge but also a telescope in order for them to have the information they already seemed to possess. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. Even if you allow for a much higher biological mutation rate on any Sirian planet compared to the Earth, it still isnt enough time. The brightest star in the sky is Sirius, now called Sirius A. I have never completely understood Temple's complaint to "Astronomy" about my critiques: "I could not object to a review of a book which was fair, honest, or intelligent, no matter how critical or damning it might be of the opinions expressed in the book or the quality of work behind the book. One of the pieces of evidence Temple cites is a sand picture made by the No other anthropologist supports their opinions. Nor does he establish a connection between the Dogon creator Nommo and the star Sirius. Could Sirius B have been a red giant a few thousand years ago? Dwarfs and Little Green Men". informed the Dogon of Sirius B or "he misinterpreted their references (Copyright Lee Krystek 1998) In Mali, West Africa, lives a tribe of people called the Dogon. A review of the astronomical, cultural, and anthropological sides of this issue might be timely. If a European had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely have turned to astronomical matters, including Sirius, the brightest star in the sky and the center of Dogon mythology. ;p7D) Journalist and skeptic James Oberg collected claims concerning Dogon mythology in his 1982 book UFOs and Outer Space Mysteries. Most important, no one, even within the circle (And presumably, that the Egyptians then located their river deltas, eases, and river ports deliberately on geometric rather than purely geographical grounds, I'm tempted to ask?) Second, while it is difficult to obtain precise locations of many archeological sites referred to in The Sirius Mystery, Temple himself shows a map that gives the location of Behdet (31.23 degE, 31.50 degN) and Thebes (32.63 degE, 25.70 degN). Further, "The fact that the Dogon do not talk of another planet with rings beyond Saturn [i.e., Uranus, whose rings were discovered in 1977--and the rings of Jupiter weren't discovered until after Sagan's book was written, although they would have been clearly visible to any arriving extraterrestrial spacecraft] suggests to me that their informants were European, not extraterrestrial." African Observers of the Universe: The Sirius Question. In, Ortiz de Montellano, Bernard R. 1996. (In response, Temple has drawn up the ridiculous image of natives laborously hauling a giant instrument through the west African mud -- when in fact a four inch reflector would do just fine, and I once owned one that weighed about ten pounds including mount.) I assumed, reasonably I.believe, that Temple meant to prove something by this chain of development, and I said it was a silly idea. For instance, the anthropologist Walter Van Beek, who studied the Dogon after Griaule and Dieterlen, found no evidence that the Dogon considered Sirius to be a double star and/or that astronomy was particularly important in their belief system. "He sent me the manuscript which I found unreadable. WebThe Dogon reportedly related to Griaule and Dieterlen a belief that the Nommos were inhabitants of a world circling the star Sirius (see the main article on the Dogon for a discussion of their astronomical knowledge). "their purpose in disguising their secrets was to see that the secrets could survive.". Some of this information has been selectively interpreted by Temple to support his claims. So what is the alternative to the extraterrestrial hypothesis for the Dogon myths7 The Dogons could have learned of European Sirius lore in the 1920's from traders, explorers or missionaries, many of whom are avid amateur astronomers. It's fascinating. MANY SKEPTICS WOULD LIKE TO THINK THAT ONCE SOMETHING IS debunked, that will be the end of it. companion" (Bullard). WebRe: Dogon Sirius claim debunked - Graham Hancock Official Website Mysteries Taken from [ library.thinkquest.org] According to the Dogon priests, Sirius is orbited by a tiny secret star that they refer to as 'po', which traces an elliptical path around Sirius taking 50 years to History Debunked then goes on to demonstrate the type of pseudo-scientific nonsense this has lead to by providing a link to an Ethnomathematics paper and reading out its conclusion. The third explanation is that they learned the information from Europeans or in European schools. Finally, he asked me point-blank if I could point out any errors in it and partly out of politeness, partly to get rid of him, and partly because I had been able to read very little of the book so that the answer was true, I said I could not point out any errors. It's almost certainly a hoax. ", Investigating "[10] Ridpath states that while the information that the Dogon probably gained from Europeans to some extent resembles the facts about Sirius, the presumed original Dogon knowledge of the star is very far from the facts. 139-167. double star (Ortiz de Montellano).*. Using similar techniques other writers have "discovered" dozens of different, often contradictory "ancient secrets" about Atlantis, primitive Christianity, forgotten wisdom, ancient visitors and numerous other things. Its appearance in the dawn sky over Egypt warned of the impending Nile floods and the summer's heat and marked the beginning of the Egyptian calendar. ch. As Carl Sagan pointed out, when the lines on both maps are removed, the resemblance disappears. But my own measurements, which And if all this were not enough for the Sirians, recent studies have suggested the possibility of a third star (Sirius C) orbiting Sirius B, although it would be a very low mass star which so far has escaped detection.5 Stable planetary orbits may be very hard to find in the Sirian system. The diagram that Temple presents, however, is not the The obviously advanced astronomical knowledge must have come from somewhere, but is it an ancient bequest or a modern graft? Encyclopedia Galactica,, Benest, D. and J. L. Duvent. Predictions are often reinterpreted to fit any outcome, which makes them scientifically worthless but which can be claimed to verify the pseudo- scientific claims. The other five are still seen as red but from the time of Arab astronomers to the present day Sirius has been blue-white. He soon multiplied to become six pairs of twins. The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. answer is that they got this information from amphibious aliens from outer WebDogon and the Sirius Mystery. In 1967, Temple began work on the thesis that became The Sirius Mystery. This is only a stellar stone's throw by galactic standards and Sirius is only twice as far away from our solar system as are the nearest On top of that, there is another star, Sirius B, orbiting at an average distance of about 20 AU (1 AU is the distance between the Earth and Sun). (Copyright Lee Krystek 1998) In Mali, West Africa, lives a tribe of people called the Dogon. He was told that fishlike creatures called the Nommo had come to Earth from Sirius to civilizes its people. Given that the French stayed in their territory for five weeks and had several local guides, it would not be surprising if they shared some astronomical knowledge during that time. But that doesn't stop Temple. The Dogon and Sirius. Figure 1. WebThe Dogon, the Nommos and Sirius B Artist's conception of the Dogon's legendary Nommos. The Dogons hold that Jupiter has four moons when in fact it has at least 12, plus a ring, as any true extraterrestrial would have known. As the brightest star in the sky it was known and worshiped by ancient civilizations. The second problem is that ancient writers seemed to use color for stars in a way different from the way that we do (they described Pollux, Arcturus, and Capella as red a modern observer would call them yellow-orange, orange, and yellow, respectively). Just wanted to know if this is completely a hoax, or does it even have any anthropological origin. that by the time Griaule arrived, the Dogon may have had a grounding in 20th Although we can occasionally claim victory (are there any alchemists left? The Dogon have a traditional interest in the sky and astronomical phenomena. This step was taken by others, particularly Temple, in the Sixties and Seventies. In 1952, Young was one of nine people present during the first contact with the Council, an event initiated by Andrija Puharich, the man who brought Israeli spoonbender Uri Geller to America. From the findings of Van Beek and the authors of Ancient Mysteries, it is clear that Griaule himself was responsible for the creation of a modern myth; one which, in retrospect, has created such an industry and near-religious belief that the scope and intensity of it can hardly be fathomed. Contents [ hide] 1 The Secret Knowledge And Wisdom Of The Dogon Tribe 2 Intricate Knowledge Of The Sirius Star System? It blazes forth from the constellation of Canis Major (Big Dog), giving it the inevitable nickname of the Dog Star. Also, why would the Dogan people not divulge where they received such recent knowledge of transfer if they had of gotten this knowledge from Europeans. According to Griaule and If Sirius B had been a red giant only a few thousand years ago, there would still be a bright and noticable planetary nebula around it today. had visited the Dogon in the 1920's and 1930's, conversation would likely Skeptic. The greatest source of error, however, seems to be in Temple's specified location of Behdet. extraterrestrials, the Nommos, some 5,000 years ago. Legends of the Dogon Belief in a Long-Solved Mystery Resurfaces. astronomical information. (Copyright Lee Krystek 1998) In Mali, West Africa, lives a tribe of people called the Dogon. Read the January issue of Michael Shermers Scientific American column for free on michaelshermer.com: Kool-Aid Psychology: How optimism trumped realism in the positive-psychology movement. This is true, but Sirius has about 25 times the luminosity of the Sun. Temple cites is a sand picture made by the dogon sirius debunked other anthropologist supports their opinions such claims, as. 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