This competition aimed to identify a place with a rich railway heritage, strong links to the national network and significant public support, while creating a great opportunity to promote the location as the proud home for the start of a new era in Britains railways. I quite like that version; I think I might like it even more if the black and the red were blue instead though. What is wrong with different routes and regions having different liveries? However many people were not happy with the loss of the traditional "historic" regional colour schemes as used by the former private companies. https://twitter.com/MrTimDunn/status/912009372292780033. I can only see negatives. It is known as Great because it is the largest island in the British Isles, and houses the countries of England, Scotland and Wales within its shores. Messages: 1,398. GBR is currently running a competition to find a town or city outside London to host its headquarters. It does because it's public perception. That's a different argument (which I disagee with but that's not for this thread). Particularly if they are just vinyls on white painted trains. It might have the operator identified in a small way too. Read about the differences between Britain, the. For Station signage that is supposed to be functional and informative above all else, I don't see too much wrong with this. Could GBRTT be right for you? The 25 kV electric locomotives were painted from new in a striking shade of bright blue which was known as "Electric Blue". Bare minimum, low effort. Great Central Railway {} Sample: 002366: Great Eastern Railway {} Sample: 00a550: Great Northern Railway (Great Britain) {{GNGE colour}} Sample: 00645b: Great Northern and Great Eastern Joint Railway {{GWGC colour}} Sample: 47640f: Great Western and Great Central Joint Railway {} Sample: 964b00: Lancashire and Yorkshire Railway Different NSE style local/commuter networks round the country. There have also been subtle font changes. Press J to jump to the feed. into flashy advertising campaigns, the appearance of the showrooms (and their digital counterpart, the website), and the styling of their vehicles? Underneath that in a smaller font, about half the height of the space between the botton track and the bottom of the arrow "Operated by [whomever] for Great British Railways". Not so much the modern LNER though. Eastfield TMD staff near Glasgow also embellished a few examples of the class 37/0's allocated to the depot with a lower bodyside white stripe in the mid-80s but were told to stop doing it and repaint the ones they'd already done back to the standard blue livery by the BR hierarchy. This style of livery was also used by CSX Transportation. In many ways having a 'Railway System' logo (the double arrow) for stations/journey planners but a different logo so people know the train is a 'big' intercity train or a 'small' stopping train is very helpful. [16] As well as rolling stock and multiple units, a number of Class 47 and Class 50 locomotives dedicated to Network SouthEast passenger services were painted in this livery. A later version added a red stripe along the lower edge of the locomotive bodyside. For me, it's time to sign off from the Great Western Railway Line. Correct. Wholely agree. We use cookies. Avanti merged with LNWR to form a GNWR brand. After contacting GBRTT (Transition Team), I have been informed of their intention to create a new livery. Later regional variations included some interesting changes for the Class8P passenger types in particular. But the point is that effort has gone into developing a brand and what it stands for, it isn't just harking back to the awful 1970s, a time people seem to be seeing with a large pair of rose tinted spectacles. I think it'll be more like East Coast (or whatever), the full height of the parallel tracks. [14] While this livery had much in common with the "Large Logo" version of Rail Blue livery, including the yellow cabs and larger logo and numbers on the bodyside, the main colour was grey rather than blue. I just see the thing as extremely surface level. The red stripe does work, very similar to what the Welsh are doing. OK, it's not a big change, but Germany tends to do rebrandings very infrequently. [6], The Vale of Rheidol Railway remained steam operated past the general end of steam traction in 1968; Accordingly the three remaining Vale of Rheidol Railway steam locomotives (Class 98) received the Rail Blue colour scheme and the double arrow logo on their side tanks. With the reorganisation of British Railways in the mid-1960s, a complete break with the past was signalled by the introduction of a blue and grey livery which dominated all passenger rolling stock until the mid-1980s, when a new Intercity livery (dark grey and beige with a red and white waistband) was introduced along with a number of regional colour schemes. Question for the designers. This error in colour identification comes from an article and question published in a Model Railway Magazine in the 1950s, where the responding editor made the error, and it has frequently been repeated since then. Or the awful corporate blue BR? It will also control the contracting of passenger train services, the setting of fares and timetables, and the collection of fare revenue, with the exception of services wholly within Scotland and Wales. The pleasure's all mine. Suffice to say, an actual English nationalist would not be passing controversial legislation to enable Westminster to spend even more money on Northern Ireland, as this Government is. I don't think the red understripe would appear though, and there will still be calls from TfGM, WYCA TfWM, TfW, etc. The first break in the uniformity of Rail Blue came in 1976 with the introduction of the first InterCity 125 (HST). Great British Railways: The Williams-Shapps Plan for Rail (print version) Ref: ISBN 978-1-5286-2465-7 , CCS0321182446 05/21 , CP 423 PDF , 55.8 MB , 112 pages Order a copy TL:DR - if your a british collector, and you paint your own, PUT THE STRIPPER DOWN. It's only as complicated as you want it to be. We will probably get something like this Shorthand and in general parlance yes, but Great British Railways will be a brand that the DfT will want to get out there sooner rather than later, even if it is just a vinyl on top of existing TOC names. I have heard that the BR double arrows will remain in use due to the fact that in the UK everyone recognises it as the 'train station' symbol. Originally a trading brand of the Railway Executive of the British Transport . Introduced in 1965, and also known as "Monastral Blue", the colour was defined by British Rail standards BR28/6001 (Airless spray finish) and BR28/5321 (Brush finish). This grey panel finished just short of the end of the coach leaving a small amount of Rail Blue which then continued round onto the end of the coach. It isnt hard to believe that there may be some truth to the suggestion that Johnson would be less cavalier in his treatment of Ulster if it returned even a handful of Government MPs. Other examples are available Once they'd ditched single colour liveries, they didn't really do anything that wasn't ", One can only hope for a Sectorised return to NSE. Heh. I suspect not many. Originally running from 1923 until 1948 when it became British Railway, LNER returned to the route of famous for the Flying Scotsman in 2018 when the . Maybe a "way out" arrow similar to Thameslink's station signage could make it more exciting, while also adding a bit more functionality? Within a period of 10 years, HSTs had three different liveries. In response to this announcement, the Great British Railways Transition Team is looking at changes to support the development of the new industry structure, and considering ways in which the current system can be simplified and improved. Judging from the signage and station painting they will choose something somewhere between boring and ugly, and we will be stuck with it everywhere, for ages. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; And although BR did changes, it was still the same basic livery really. Steam locomotive 61306 Mayflower seen just outside Sittingbourne, Kent at lunchtime today. Clean, modern, easy to read, looks good and in the right colour set. I might take an example railway station (I'm thinking Rugby) and design signage made for that specific station, to see how things could look practically Not convinced. JavaScript is disabled. It may not display this or other websites correctly. The Southern Region types worked mostly on the Charing Cross / Cannon Street - Hastings via Battle / Dover and Ramsgate routes and on the Victoria / London Bridge - Brighton / Littlehampton / Hastings via Eastbourne routes. On this Wikipedia the language links are at the top of the page across from the article title. The text won't be centred vertically with the logo. It's good work (and the previous set). The Double Arrow is used for stations on maps, so that's really a no-brainer frankly. The livery was carried on the rolling stock, but also on a number of locomotives which were dedicated to mail and parcels traffic, mainly of Classes 47 and 90. Livery Guide Great Western Railways/British Railway Western Region. This is "straight out of 1975": I'm inclined to disagree there. Feb 1, 2020. The first Class 31 entered service in November . Great Western Railways/British Railway Western Region. Great British Railways (GBR) is a planned state-owned public body that will oversee rail transport in Great Britain,[1] with the exception of Transport for London and Merseytravel services, and light rail and trams elsewhere in England. No.31271 in Railfreight "triple grey" livery with Construction sector markings. Why do most people go for a car that is mostly all one single colour. In all of your concepts the Rail Symbol (double-arrow) is far too large for the accompanying lettering, if you're looking to be guided by the original design rules. Class 35 'Hymek' D7017 restored to 1960's green & lime livery. One overarching brand, with sub brands sitting below it, for long distance services and regional brands all under the GBR moniker, much like we do today with Southern, South Eastern, South Western, Northern, etc. Every TfW station I've been to are still ATW-branded (in fact, Hereford yesterday). Non-corridor coaching stock and other multiple units received all-over Rail Blue until about 1980, when most received the same blue/grey livery as corridor coaching stock. This mock-up was shown in an orange and grey livery, which, however, never appeared on rolling stock in service. However, these bodies will be required to coordinate with GBR to deliver a single national rail network, including one website and app, as well as following national branding and passenger standards. [5][6], The new GBR organisation was proposed under the WilliamsShapps Rail Review,[7] which was published as a white paper on 20 May 2021. And it that light it is intriguing that Ministers have. English regions, Scotland, and Wales will have their own variants, but these will still emphasise the national nature of GBR. | Page 15 | RailUK Forums We're pleased to announce the launch of our new booking engine at tickets.railforums.co.uk, which helps support the running of the forum with every ticket purchased. Rail Express Systems was the sector of British Rail responsible for transport of mail and parcels traffic. I never knew I had OCD until that remark lol. I would say GWR (single colour) is a far better branding package than Avanti (3 colours). Like the Thameslink 700 "can't be bothered" livery. If you run across land borders you're going to get it. Dedicated station management teams will be created within regional divisions of GBR to manage stations and land. That's what happens when small-minded people look back on a classic that was before their time with a warped sense of populism. Why does it need to look the part - what does nationalisation look like? This page was last edited on 28 January 2023, at 18:28. It was formed from the nationalisation of the Big Four British railway companies, and was privatised in stages between 1994 and 1997. There are conflicting view on Britain versus Great Britain. Differences should merely be factual, not corporate. Brunswick Green. Nothing to bring it all together. It will replace Network Rail as the operator of rail infrastructure across all of Great Britain (excluding some Valley Lines in Wales and some Merseyrail lines). How many people list how attractive a train is when you ask them why they decided to go by car or train? Because for my money blue & grey is not the "same basic livery" as Swallow, neither is NSEs toothpaste anything like the red and cream worn in the 50s. Make the name central and it'd be perfect. This may well take time to introduce and rollout but my suggestion is as follows. Then why was the old version called British Railways, not Great British Railways, and why the change now for the new version if British Railways worked? Home Forums British Railways coaches in the crimson and cream livery used from 1949 Discussions on the livery for British Railways coaching stock in 1948 eventually settled on a network-wide two-tone livery of crimson and cream for corridor coaches, with all-over crimson being used for local, non-corridor stock. Why could GBR franchises not do the same? Yes i like it, very clean and professional looking. Whatever its failings and they were multitude branding was one thing British Rail took seriously and was remarkably good at. I'd go along with that from a "looks right" perspective, but it would be almost impossible to see from (for instance) inside a train in darkness. Incorrect: Britain and Great Britain are synonymous, referring to either the largest island of the British Isles (in a geographical context) or the countries of England, Scotland and Wales (in a political context). After this time small variations in the Rail Blue livery became much more common. the handling/liability of pensions etc. Now there's a system others can look up to. The train is operated by the Steam Dreams Rail Co. Mayflower built in 1948, is one of two surviving B1 Class locomotives and painted in distinctive British Railways apple green livery. Bare minimum. This livery was well received by enthusiasts but as the Class 56s only hauled freight, it was decided to extend the experiment to a passenger loco. Unfortunately, there is little sign that Beattie actually intends to do anything differently, in this regard at least, to the Democratic Unionists he hopes to supplant. Instead, I just added an icon next to the full text and removed it from the main station name. Standing on the sidelines of national politics and shouting is just what capital-U Unionism does now. 1948 -. The Tories, particulary this present mob of throwbacks, have long since co-opted the "great" in "Great Britain" to mean "very good"and it's xenophobic, imperialist undertones me me want to vomit. its going to be at least 6 months before we even get a branding document, and IMO over 2 years before we get any new liveries or Humbrol paints. Why do you show the double-arrow logo *and* the words "Great British Railways"? [8] The review had been launched in September 2018 and was led by Keith Williams. There is also a British Standard paint colour BS381C 114 called Rail Blue which was introduced in 1964. The British Rail Class 31 diesel locomotives, also known as the Brush Type 2 and previously as Class 30, were built by Brush Traction from 1957-62. It's already been seen with the government controlled LNER and GWR franchises for example. But such an approach offers a bleak long-term outlook for the UK. 19th September, 2019. Thanks. Quick reference Livery Guide for Nameplates and transfers available in 4mm/00 scale. For 2mm/N equivalents, change the start of the reference number FRH4 for FRH2. It'll be operated quite differently. There's rather a lot to list if you want to do it completely! GBR is similar enough to channel some continuity with BR but distinct enough to admit it's a different entity. Great Britain (or just Britain) is the mainland of England, Scotland and Wales. The first and second MKC signs are pretty classy and look good. The new British Rail "double arrow" symbol on locomotives (or leading vehicle as was the case on multiple unit stock) and the vehicle number and other ancillary markings written in the Rail Alphabet typeface were other integral parts of the livery. In the early years the colour faded quite badly, becoming lighter and paler with time although this problem had been overcome by the late 1970s. I said this on another thread, but this is definitely a more appropriate one. Sadly cream on modern stock looks quite bad, or I suspect one incarnation of GWR might have tried it white might work ok instead. | Page 23 | RailUK Forums We're pleased to announce the launch of our new booking engine at tickets.railforums.co.uk, which helps support the running of the forum with every ticket purchased. Our railways play a fundamental role in supporting the economic, environmental and social achievements of the country. GBR will develop masterplans for station renewal. Find out more Contact us Freedom of Information Jobs at GBRTT Media Sign up for GBRTT News Privacy and GDPR Terms and conditions Following the introduction of the Advanced Passenger Train in 1983, a similar livery to the APT's (dark grey on the upper body, and light beige on the lower, with two stripes of red and white separating them) was experimentally applied to two HST sets and the coaches operating the Gatwick Express service between London Victoria and Gatwick Airport. Wrap yourself up in the flag and sing rule Brittania. 1948 -. JavaScript is disabled. More middle days; they were improving quite a bit in the 1990s. [9][10] Several other Class 47 locomotives, some Class 31s, and even some DMU cabs, were subsequently also painted by Stratford with grey roofs, the variation becoming something of a trademark for the depot. Consisting of three shades of grey and thus known as "triple grey Railfreight", the livery included logos on the sides and cabs of locomotives indicating which sector they belonged to. I tried going with the National Rail icon in the right hand side, but it was too small and nobody would notice it. Job done. I wonder if we might actually see things like "Northern - by Great British Railways" rather than one single overarching branding. And the more I see RA2 and its symbols, the more clumsy it looks. Also on the Eastern Region, Class 55 Deltic locomotives based at Finsbury Park acquired white surrounds to their cab windows. The XP64 train was used to test technology and carriage arrangements for the planned Mark 2 coaches. In 1978 the British Railways Board began planning a new livery for the future, and in that August Class 56 diesel locomotive 56036 was painted to test a modified livery[11][12] of all-over Rail Blue with the entire loco front in bright yellow to improve visibility, this extending down the sides of the loco to the rear of the cab windows which were, in turn, outlined in black. 1 Pre-corporate liveries 2 Early liveries 2.1 Coaching stock from 1948 2.2 The second phase 2.3 XP64 3 Rail Blue 3.1 Locomotives 3.2 Coaches and multiple units 3.3 Local variations 4 Moving away from Rail Blue 5 Sectorisation 5.1 InterCity 5.2 Network SouthEast 5.3 Regional Railways 5.4 Rail Express Systems 5.5 Railfreight Pre-corporate liveries I personally do not think there should be a standard livery across the network on the grounds that regional identity would be lost. Class 14s D9537 (in desert sand livery) and D9539 prepare a double-head a train on the Ribble Steam Railway. But do we really want to go back to that? There are some good brands out there - gWr for example is a superb piece of marketing prowess, alongside the "friendly nostalgia" of the Famous Five advertising. And again, there may be scope to take back control of this. Finsbury Park. For locomotives used on internal British Rail duties, a separate livery of a plain darker grey was created. Swiss rail. In which case, why do car manufacturers put effort (and substantial amounts of money!) RM CN0PKR - Britania 70000 in British Railways Livery at West Somerset Railway, Minehead, UK RM C1N4A7 - Totnes Littlehempston Station with Goods Vehicle in authentic 'British Railways' Livery, Totnes, Devon, England, United Kingdom RM ER5JCR - 46138 Royal Scot Class Steam Locomotive - British Railways L The whole GBR thing is complicated as you have ScotRail and TfW already as separate brands that won't change, yet using "Rail England" or whatever is going to provoke outrage where services run by "English" operators go into Scotland and Wales (which rather ignores the same the other way round!). Official Description. Multiple units were also generally green, although this tended to be a lighter and bluer shade compared to the colour used on steam and diesel locomotives. Recognising this, the Plan for Rail recommended the development of a 30-year strategy to determine how best the railways can support Britain in the future. The coaches for the XP64 train were painted in a slightly lighter version of what would eventually become Rail Blue, with a 44-inch-wide (1,100mm) Pale Ivory stripe centred on the passenger windows, and brown underframe. British Railways was formed in 1948, it was divided into geographical regions loosely based on the pre-war Big Four company areas, Scotland became a region on its own and the former LNER area was divided into North Eastern and Eastern Regions. BR's first standard locomotive liveries, adopted from 1949 onwards. If Scotland leaves the UK it must become British Rail as Britain is defined as just England & Wales! for some form of co-branding. Not even all yellow fronted anymore. Interesting mock up doublearrow on Twitter just posted: What problem is this supposed to be fixing? There'll no doubt be someone on here who knows, one way or the other. The system just looks like a disparate random mish mash of different organisations each running trains in their own way. Bland, cheap, unimaginative. But we know that anyway - ScotRail is blue based, as was Regional Railways. GBR will absorb Network Rail, although overall strategic direction on infrastructure investment and fares strategy will remain with government. [4] Normal passenger service franchise mechanisms were amended, transferring almost all revenue and cost risk to the government, effectively 'renationalising' those services temporarily. Most of the coverage has focused on this. Class 52 No.D1015 restored to 1960's Western Region Maroon livery. This isn't true, there have been subtle changes. Great Britain's railway system was built by private companies, but it was nationalised by the Transport Act 1947 and was run from then onwards by British Railways (which traded as British Rail from 1965) until privatisation, which was begun in 1994 and completed in 1997. Eastern, North Eastern and Scottish. Here are his exact words: Hes concerned with the English vote. 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