Her mother was Polish and her father Irish. There was a tribe in my home town, the Mojaves. I would give a task often based on traditional forms, or I would get an idea for a subject; and sometimes I used Kenneths books, because he was writing all those books then about teaching in nursing homes and to groups of small children. I can do that with my speaking voice in poems. Where Leftover Misery Goes. Robert Haas, Guest Editor. Too many Watch Video Here. I had this education, so I could have been doing something else but did not want to, was animated by a desire to write poetry, which is truly valuable: I was writing peoples culture for the future. 92AN: She was great. She has long written in narrative and epic and genre-bending modes to discover new ways to explore the nature of the self and the social and cultural importance of disobedience. AN: I read it when I was about twenty-three, in English. . AN: We were all doing them. In For the Ride (Penguin 2020), Notley presents words as precarious cargo being salvaged from a global catastrophe and disintegrating reality. 19AN: Peggy was great and, yes, Irish. The signature of her work is a restless reinvention and a distrust of groupthink that remains true to her forebears directive: to not give a damn. In the case of John Ashbery, theres a poem called Syringa (1977) with an Orphean motif. I havent changed much since I first began writing: (2006). She distrusts change. 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This guy is doing vinyl records of poets and hes done a series including one of me and one of Eileen [Myles]. I used to substitute teach for him, sometimes, at Brooklyn College. The former Presidents political and legal challenges are mounting, even as some polls indicate that he still has a lot of support among Republicans. I was influenced by Koch, particularly by the period starting with the second The Circus (1971). The first time I went there I was completely humiliated by the people working there. DR: What do you think of Gertrude Stein and of the kind of permutations she does: almost like rolling things around in your mouth? It seems nobody has any sense of tone of voice any more. much cooked meat, and potatoes with drippings (tears). I knew him in New York, where I saw him from time to time; but after I moved here, he sought me out. 10When I was a young poet, I couldnt figure out what to title anything, and I discussed this with Ted, who said: You should write to Ron Padgett and get a list of titles, which I did; he just made up all these titles for me. She is a recipient of the Ruth Lilly Poetry Prize. Poems.. In Heavens Breath, Lyall Watson created a wildly entertaining history of the wind. 3Alice Notleys poetry has evolved through many phases and experiments, as her output continues to be strong, and is increasingly studied academically. But her writing exerts intense attraction. Notleys work seems to suggest that correctives to the old narratives are possible but also that real fixity is always out of reach. Its refreshing to read poetry so dedicated to its own ends, even if they are occasionally inscrutable. , Portland, WA: Fonograf Editions (Octopus Books), 2019. I was wondering if your poems that address completely despicable people might be a case of carrying the enemy on the shoulder. . They were the CDs that my son made and sent me; there are a lot of miss-hearings of Bob Dylan songs, as well as just a lot of folk songs that I already knew, in that work. The Crying Book Reveals How Tears Can Help Us, and How They Cant. Poems and prose about conflict, armed conflict, and poetry's role in shaping perceptions and outcomes of war. In 1972, Notley married Berrigan and the two moved to Chicago where Berrigan had been given Ed Dorn's newly vacated teaching position at Northeastern Illinois University. London: B.T. Kilkenny (irlands: Cill Chainnigh [cil xani], que significa 'iglesia de Cainnech') es una ciudad en el condado de Kilkenny, Irlanda. Shes made few changes to her approach to the work. Where Leftover Misery Goes. Robert Haas, Guest Editor, The Best American Poetry of 2001. Twitter, Where Leftover Misery Goes.. Sometimes I have in-between projects and that is a tough situation; because, I usually dont write as well then, indeed, I never quite know what to do at those moments. The circle of younger poets who spent time with Notley and Berrigan included the aforementioned members of the Yellow Press team, Barbara Barg, Rochelle Kraut, Rose Lesniak, Bob Rosenthal, Steve Levine, Simon Schuchat, Tim Milk, and several others. In fact, the strong memories of starting points, including the vegetation, you just evoked link you to your New York School entourage. Notley's experimentation with poetic form, seen in her books 165 Meeting House Lane, When I Was Alive, The Descent of Alette, and Culture of One, ranges from a blurred line between genres, to a quotation-mark driven interpretation of the variable foot, to a full reinvention of the purpose and potential of strict rhythm and meter. Is that right? I had just been in the States. Cutting as many cords / as you tie to [her], Notley leads us away from rationality to the forgotten and suppressed that makes up another part of now.. He was my political education really. White Phosphorus (1988) and Beginning with a Stain (1987). Would you like to come? I didnt go. Eileen Myles wrote of their experience in Notley's workshops in their books Chelsea Girls (Black Sparrow Press, 2004; Ecco, 2015) and Inferno (O/R Books, 2010). The designer of the cover made an extract basically, making it wrap around the book cover, which was an attractive idea. New York: United Artists, 1979. 88AN: Yes, and that is effectively what the Aeneid, which is certainly a splendid and beautiful poem, does. She wound up in a nursing home, the life and soul of the nursing home: a great Irish lady. DYLAN, Bob, The Man in the Old Black Coat.. We know how inane the decision was that everybody would have a car, completely destroying the planet. Alice Notleys influence on a later generation of poets exploring the subject of motherhood is hard to overstate. It always felt to me like I was enacting ideas that visual artists had normally, that I was figuring it out. So, there were people from all different professions at the table, a few Americans and some artistic peoplebut not that many. She was in my workshop. One of the lines in that particular poem is actually straight from Dylan, which I finally just say: I know no one can sing the blues like blind Willie McTell. Id been quoting from the song all the way through in the whole poem. We were all born in 1945, and despite a certain competitiveness at first, became good friends. However, I dont know what I was listening to when I was beginning to write. I certainly wouldve used anything to keep from being sent. DR: The disturbing political and historical moment we are experiencing could disrupt many. Ted had left Sandy; I was living in sin with Ted, which Peggy didnt seem to mind at all, as she liked me a lot. Said Let there be lightbulbs & liquefaction. My mother had broken her hip. I had this education, so I could have been doing something else but did not want to, was animated by a desire to write poetry, which is truly valuable: I was writing peoples culture for the future. poets act like a middle-aged mother trying to get her kids to eat too Notley came to prominence as a member of the second generation of the New York School of poetryalthough she has always denied being involved with the New York School or any specific movement in general. Notley also thanks Tom Clark who would go on to re-publish the sonnet cycle in his anthology All Stars. 55DR: There was a pop song in the 1960s by the Three Dog Night, Joy to the World, which went: If I was the King of the World, Id throw away all the cars, thus broadcasting the idea. Batsford Ltd., 1945. Need a transcript Alice Notley has become one of Americas greatest living poets. 38AN: Would you like to see the real collage? Active in the New York poetry scene of the 1960s and 70s, Notley is often identified with the Second Generation New York School poets, though her work resists any period classification. Notley began the magazine to connect with preexisting poet friends and meet new writers on both coasts while living in the midwest. New York: Penguin Poets, 2016. ButI forget. American Literature between the Wars, 1914-1945. Gen. Ed. To revisit this article, select My Account, thenView saved stories, To revisit this article, visit My Profile, then View saved stories. My book, (1992) features Robert Desnos and uses patterns from the. Courtesy of Alice Notley, re-photographed by Daesong Kim, April 2018. DR: In your work, theres something in the interstices between thoughts thats both intriguing and active. He would fly to Paris, find me, and we would have dinner; also, he had a group of Paris friends. The Goddess who created this passing world, Said Let there be lightbulbs & liquefaction, Life spilled out onto the street, colors whirled, Toys and rose The zoo body zigzags. I can do that with my speaking voice in poems. There is, however, some hope to be found in Millions of Us, which ends We have this project to / change our silence into the beautiful city of a voice. I was one of his friends in Paris. When I was writing such pieces and reading them they changed a lot; but it was about trying to get how the mind works, which meant I was writing generally as fast as I could while still keeping self-control, which is why I allowed all these part-words to come in. And its influenced by dactylic hexameter. Aeneas founded a city, Rome. After the war, that tradition was exhausted. . DR: Where leftover misery goes Can a poem be like a dance? It seemed that people like Joe Brainard were doing important, high-art collages and we could follow along without any pretention to be creating masterpieces. Songs for the Unborn Second Baby. because theres something resembling skulls going on here with the top of the fan supports. But Notley, never one to be pinned down, has continued to push poetrys formal constraints, and this pursuit has led her far away from portraits of domestic life. ASHBERY, John. They wanted people to come and put the dances on, trying to help preserve them actually (there were about fifteen or twenty Indian Tribes in Arizona). Flowery mantle. Homeric sacrifice? noise of darkness fear of, darkness now mantle of innocence King of his death now Home, Ive come home He said, Ive come home They were sacrificed for, nothing, for distant instants of thought All for your thinking, Illustration courtesy of Sophie Herxheimer, The Goddess Who Created This Passing World. New Addresses was influenced by my autobiographical book that almost won the Pulitzer Prize, Mystery of Small Houses (1998), getting him to dredge up his past, bravely. The conjunctions are the most mysterious places in Johns work. hard and deeply about each part as I go along. That was one of the first things Ted [Berrigan] told me about John: he kept a list of titles, like Civilization and Its Discontents, then he would decide, Ah, that would be a great title for a poem, and then later he would check his list and pull that title out. Lipstick, Queens, 1947 these were things he just wrote down on this list of possible titles. I went downstairs. 122DR: Anne Waldman was an important figure with the [St. Marks] poetry project. [4] Notley's second book, Phoebe Light, was published in 1973 by Bill Berkson's Bolinas-based press Big Sky.[5]. All rights reserved. This Kind of Paradise. Parts of a Wedding. Of course, we salute their past: all the greats, Guillaume Apollinaire and Pierre Reverdy, and some well-known others. I'm calling out from pictures to your vision creating it. Alice Notley was born in Bisbee, Arizona in 1945 and grew up in Needles, California in the Mojave Desert. 32That gives you a sense of the sound. Death is for a moment, beauty is for all time, about World War II and people being away at the war. I quoted from Songs for the Unborn Second Baby (1979). And Virgil: Arma virumque cano, Troiae qui primus ab orisItaliam, fato profugus, Laviniaque venit: Thats the opening of the Aeneid and the opening of the Iliad is: , . 116AN: I was there. In response, another woman informs: "'he . Ive never thought of her as a poet: sometimes I think she doesnt know anything about poetry at all. 70DR: Was the teaching of poetry workshops something that connected you to Kenneth Koch? Courtesy of the artist, re-photographed by Daesong Kim, April 2018. I was wondering about your thoughts on Native Americans. Need a transcript of this episode? Notley's 1985 play "Anne's White Glove," a commission by Ada Katz's Eye and Ear Theater navigated the pain of Berrigan's death, and her collections Margaret & Dusty (Coffee House, 1985), Parts of a Wedding (Unimproved Editions, 1986), and At Night the States (The Yellow Press, 1987) contain material written during a period of mourning. At Night the States If we compare them with painting, they work like the zips in Newmans painting. , Wesleyan University Press, 2006 (p.292-293), reproduced with permission of the author. New York: American Poets Project Library of America, 2004. For your work, from that angle, the place to start would be the collages you make, your visual art. Notleys next book, Mysteries of Small House (1998), is an experiment with the autobiographical mode, in which Notley was firstly trying to realize the first person singular as fully and nakedly as possible. Her subsequent book, Disobedience (2001), heads in the opposite direction, showing disobedience to the notions of truth and reality, featuring comic confrontations with reoccurring characters like Robert Mitch-ham, a man that closely resembles the actor Robert Mitchum. River beneath appearances. I knew him in New York, where I saw him from time to time; but after I moved here, he sought me out. DR: To pursue with craft questions: in the. That piece is from a postcard of a painting of Notre-Dame and evil spirits flying out of it. It bears a dedication to James Schuyler and Anne and Fairfield Porter, who were also residing together on Long Island at the time. DR: Now I heard you say that the cadences for, AN: I actually listened to Monteverdi to get the cadences that were before, : particularly in White Phosphorus (1988) and at the end of Beginning with a Stain, . 124I also have a vinyl record, its like one of those jazz albums. In his humorous anti-manifesto, Personism, the poet Frank OHara discloses one of arts great truths: you just go on your nerve. Considering this truth, he wonders, But how can you really care if anybody gets it, or gets what it means, or if it improves them. In the search for immediacy, he writes, questions of accessibility can come to seem pointless: Improves them for what? There were various famous people now that were in it like Susie Timmons. There was pleasure in working with that discovery. Have you read that book? 48AN: I read it when I was about twenty-three, in English. Then I figured out how to write them, so they enter the text. I think all poets do that; its also something out of the tradition of folk music. Notley is the author of over 40 books of poetry, including 165 Meeting House Lane (1971), Phoebe Light (1973), Incidentals in the Day World (1973), For Frank OHaras Birthday (1976), Alice Ordered Me to Be Made: Poems 1975 (1976), Dr. Williams Heiresses (1980), How Spring Comes (1981), which received the San Francisco Poetry Award, Waltzing Matilda (1981), Margaret & Dusty (1985), From a Work in Progress (1988), Homers Art (1990), To Say You (1993), Selected Poems of Alice Notley (1993), The Descent of Alette (1996), among many others. Her children, Anselm Berrigan and Edmond Berrigan are both New York Poets of a younger generation. 16DR: Indeed, Berrigan and OHara were both Irish names. Her first husband, Ted Berrigan, was an equally charismatic figure among an influential group of downtown poets. Can we talk a little bit about the pop culture that figures in your work? . 18DR: The conversation has veered far from Needles, which I hope we will return to, as we evoke various social spaces that seep into the poems. Referring back to her writing in the 1970s in an interview with the Ampersand Review, Notley says she felt she was the only poet I knew of who used the details of pregnancy and motherhood as a direct, pervading subject in poems, on a daily basis, as if it were true that half the people in the world gave birth to others and everyone had been born. Poems from this time include Clinical Thermometer Set with Moonstone and How Spring Comes. How, in your view, did humanity get itself in such a predicament? 91DR: You quote the powerful, assertive voice of Marianne Moore in a poem. Her honors and awards include an Arts and Letters Award from the American Academy of Arts and Letters and the Shelley Memorial Award from the Poetry Society of America. In the serious, reflective poem, Your Dailiness (1971), you mention finally understanding Willem de Koonings painting. There were four kids, including a couple still at home. Grave of light : new and selected poems, 1970-2005. At the same moment, at Saint Marks, Bernadette Mayer, Anne Waldman, and I taught poetry workshops. Alice Notley - 1945-. Its probably Notleys best-known work, perhaps because its one of the easiest to follow. The whole point of the. She edited and wrote the introduction for the reissue of Ted Berrigans The Sonnets (2000), as well as editing, with her sons, The Collected Poems of Ted Berrigan (2005). where you and Eileen Myles read together must count among the great New York School moments still on record. 76AN: Well I grew up in the Southwest. However, when you dream you get more, particularly images, which I dont have enough of right now. When I was a young poet, I couldnt figure out what to title anything, and I discussed this with Ted, who said: You should write to Ron Padgett and get a list of titles, which I did; he just made up all these titles for me. DR: Yes, that brings me back to what I was saying earlier about Andr Bretons. DR: You quote the powerful, assertive voice of Marianne Moore in a poem. Poems, articles, podcasts, and blog posts that explore womens history and womens rights. New York: Columbia Records, 1989. Paris: Gallimard, Bibliothque de La Pliade, 1988, p. 643-753. AN: He was a good friend. That unusual, horizontal format was probably done to fit the long lines in. It seemed that people like Joe Brainard were doing important, high-art collages and we could follow along without any pretention to be creating masterpieces. She was in my workshop. That was one of the first things Ted [Berrigan] told me about John: he kept a list of titles, like Civilization and Its Discontents, then he would decide, Ah, that would be a great title for a poem, and then later he would check his list and pull that title out. Over the course of her career, Alice Notley has achieved something astounding: each of her nearly 30 books is different from the last one yet unmistakably hers. Its not around me much now. ALICE NOTLEY has been hailed as one of the United States's greatest living poets.She is the author of more than 25 books of poetry and the recipient of numerous awards, including, most recently . In a lecture titled Thinking and Poetry, Notley underscores the deep difficulty of following ones own direction: I find being a poet something that must start again all the time; Im For your work, from that angle, the place to start would be the collages you make, visual art. Raw language is the final material we have; it is only by shaping and reshaping it that we can hope to rebuild our world. The late Gracie Allen was a very lucid comedienne. . Her first husband, Ted Berrigan, was an equally charismatic figure among an influential group of downtown poets. 97AN: He is focusing on the foot; and hes probably also aware of the foot when hes doing the short stanzas. After the war, that tradition was exhausted. New York: Unimproved, 1986. 24DR: But she came already with a great talent, right, she started out extremely strong. One of the lines in that particular poem is actually straight from Dylan, which I finally just say: I know no one can sing the blues like blind Willie McTell. Id been quoting from the song all the way through in the whole poem. BAYM, Nina. Its not around me much now. Est construido en ambas orillas del ro Nore. In these poems, as in much of Notleys work, details from daily life enter in fragments that can be both entertaining and jarringly serious. It always felt to me like I was enacting ideas that visual artists had normally, that I was figuring it out. I could have a conversation about Royal Trux: a very chaotic indie group, sometimes awful, sometimes amazingly brilliant. November 2014. 30DR: In your work, theres something in the interstices between thoughts thats both intriguing and active. She is, to borrow the title from her 2011 collection, a culture of onea singular voice and the medium of many. 104AN: That was below that bed: the voices were calling to me from below the bed. 50AN: Well possiblyI take in a lot of things that I dont know about, or that I dont remember. 17AN: Yes, they were the two Irish of the set. New York: Granary Books, 2006. Parts of a Wedding. AN: To quote Jack Kerouac, avoid the authorities. If you have the talent you have to avoid them. Even as One goes questing, other voices appear, speak against each other, refract. Are its voices one or many? Breaking Down Tracy K. Smiths Poem Solstice, Jia Tolentino on poetry as a refuge, and finding meaning in Tracy K. Smiths Solstice.. Thats why my poetry works so well. 4Since then, her poetry has continued to flow and evolve. You know Frank was this little gay guy and Ted was this big, butch, working-class guy from Rhode Island; they were both from New England so there may have been something that he caught off of Franks voice as a vibration, or of Franks way of behaving in the world (I never met him; Ted once gave me permission to call him Frank). I wrote a poem about it in. Theres a poem where you talk about meeting Teds mother. What if youre not sure what kind of person you are? turn right, that dream building cutglass window in door. Notley claims it was boring and returned to Iowa City where she met the poet Ted Berrigan who began as an instructor at the school that fall. Notley has stayed very involved in the preservation of both Berrigan and Oliver's works, having edited and written introductions for a number of their books and she continues to be a prolific and powerful force in contemporary poetry, winning the Leonore Marshall Poetry Prize in 2007 and the Ruth Lilly Poetry Prize in 2015. His poems are totally him; his voice is unique; his sensibility is unique; and he was always basing it on something else; he wanted to be like Frank [OHara] intensely, but there was no way he could be like Frank. Ill read a part of it: Alice Notley, Where Leftover Misery Goes in. Do you remember when he wrote the second The Circus? That is just the beginning. I went down there is simple, but it is rich. She made one change when she worked for James Schuyler, and she adopted a version of his short line, though after that theres little change, except a few years ago, when she started putting in spaces between thoughts: in a new way she created some disjunction she had never had before. She delves into a range of topics in a single poem, such as "The Prophet", she converses about toilets, different countries, and the idea of marriage, and somehow she's able to bring all of these farfetched ideas together. In that sad, beautiful book, theres so much irony, whereas some literary critics take everything at face value. Or, as Notley puts it, the trick is to Try to get new language // closer to that of thought. She received a BA from Barnard College in 1967, and an MFA from the the Writers' Workshop at the University of Iowa in 1969. AN: I wouldnt be able to take the journey if I couldnt hear the poem thats all based on folk songs and not those lines, but I was writing In the Pines while I was doing the Hepatitis C treatment, where the drugs would depress you, but once a week you would have to take a shot which, they didnt tell you, would get you high for a half hour before you got sick. Automatically inside their apartment, you don't have. He could write any time he wanted to; Im like that too. Detroit was burning and poetry was on fire. One year at a big Thanksgiving dinner, I sat next to the poet Michel Deguy; many of his friends in Paris were met for instance when playing tennis. NOTLEY, Alice. When I read The Descent of Alette I am tempted to treat the quotation marks between phrases as breath-markers like on a musical score. Its deliberate, in order to find something out. AN: I learned a lot from him on that level. The poetry community in Bolinas was particularly strong at the time, withJoanne Kyger,Philip Whalen,Bill Berkson,Robert Creeley, and Bobbie Louise Hawkins all among its residents. DR: With your interpolation of popular culture into epic poetry, I would expect you to be a household name here in France. . , Saint Marks Poetry Project, c.1980, courtesy of the Alice Notley, re-photographed by Daesong Kim. In 1986, Notley led a workshop where participants were required to write an entire book during the course of their meetings. Among the most powerful moments in her work are the ones marked by her teaching poetry workshops in New York and her self-publishing the book, Parts of a Wedding (1986). It emasculates her. 12DR: Thats what Ted Berrigan was about: taking things from here and there, picking them up, and making them his own. 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