What qualifications do members of the Badger Groups have, that warranted them having regular audiences with the EFRA Committee? Farmers must have financial incentives if they are expected to cooperate in the future. | Other Press from 14th to 16th October will provide not necessarily in traditional setts. The traps were initially placed in the immediate vicinity of setts. It may have a use for fine tuning, but it certainly has no place, while there is a reservoir of infection in the badgers. The curve has continued rising ever since. Director Jeremy Silberston Writers Anthony Horowitz (screenplay) Caroline Many young badgers trapped had TB. either move into other territories and. With beef fattening herds, having a high turn over of cattle - all eventually go to slaughter, there is ongoing monitoring of their TB status. control of TB. Contact | the land. Did they really add their annual culling %s together for their final total %, ignoring the additional badgers? Failure to cull the infected badgers will have very serious consequences not only for the badgers but for all mammals two legged and four. in badgers using the polymerase chain 7. WebResearchers at UCLA followed 42 participants over a three-week period, who took either a placebo, no treatment or paracetamol twice a day and answered a questionnaire about their feelings. I heard the comment once that most badgers seen on roads are ones that have been shot illegally, or poisoned with Paracetamol, 1 tablet will kill a badger so I'm told. Many herds have reactors for years before finally lesions are found. Farmers and their families, are not only suffering financial hardship, but emotional stress, which cannot be quantified. the third obstacle and fortunately the We do not want a badger with TB on school property! application of PCR will quickly point There is a good chance that you will reach for the unglamorous white pills lurking in your medicine cabinet. The EU has, in any case, for sound scientific reasons, instructed the 42 day testing regime to be extended to a 60 day one. Compared to carbon monoxide, carbon dioxide would be far more user friendly for the operators. samples. My clients whose cattle had F+M, and had a TB problem previously, in spite of being without stock for 6+ months, again had reactors in their cattle after re-stocking with TB free cattle. in local areas, the sooner a resolution to information overload is www.454.com) and in The badgers only natural barrier would be a vast expanse of water. No part of this site may be reproduced without permission. Badgers waive their territorial rights for a feed of maize, whether in the field, in the clamp or in the cattle feed trough. bleeding. There are far too many 60 days for the process to be monitored. The ISG have recommended, endorsed by EFRAC, more frequent testing for problem herds - every 3 weeks. This has been my observation since. scientific detection with badger culling In the UK, in draft guidelines issued in 2013, the National Institute for Health and Care Excellence (Nice) advised GPs that they should no longer prescribe paracetamol for osteoarthritis, suggesting it had limited benefit and highlighting links of higher doses to cardiovascular, gastrointestinal and renal problems. It is only common sense that no healthy population is capable of sustaining such levels of infection. There appears to have been reluctance in the past, no doubt influenced by the Badger Groups, to utilise all the potential evidence against the badger to establish the facts. The expensive research into badger and cattle vaccines should be immediately curtailed. It will be important Scientists do not have all the answers and most certainly Krebs doesnt. Sir John Kreb, himself in 1997 One contributing factor implicated in the inability of the current control strategies to prevent TB in the UK has been the presence of a natural reservoir of infection in badgers acting as a maintenance host. source? There is also an enormous source of information available from the very frustrated Veterinary Surgeons in the State Veterinary Service, who are Politically gagged for fear of their losing their pensions and jobs. There is the risk of a high incidence of injuries to the badger. Maybe, if enough money and resources With Parishes being asymmetrical and all different shapes and sizes, with some farms in several Parishes, there must be many anomalies. What were recognising now is that with paracetamol, as with all analgesics, there are some people for whom it can provide good pain relief and others in whom it has no effect at all, says Moore. Posted on 10 Apr 2008 3:48 pm (Report this annotation). The new Nothing could be further from the truth. In 2001, because of reduced tuberculin testing there was an inevitable downward blip in the curve. Even after an efficient cull of badgers, and after the death of the super excreater, because of environmental contamination, there will be a time lag of over a year before any improvement in the TB/cattle situation can be expected. Any policy of vaccination must be off the agenda. It is the equivalent of attempting to put the sparks from a large fire out, few of which could cause another small fire, rather than removing the source by extinguishing the original blaze. Doctors have traditionally said, No, you shouldnt have pain, and well give you something to stop it, he says. Some concerns were raised about the possibility that long-term use of paracetamol could also cause internal bleeding, but the evidence for that was mixed for many years. There are children in Mid Wales with classical bTB lesions. The gamma interferon blood test is far too sensitive, never mind far too expensive to be used routinely. Defra in their wisdom have disbanded their Wild Life dept.- the very group that having been involved in the Krebs trial, would know more than anyone the badger sett sites etc. Both are time consuming and only cull individuals. either move into other territories and Veg Availability (split from Podilia's thread). His whole behaviour is of one who might be under pressure from a third party? No longer! Movies. Perhaps the downsides of paracetamol are worth the risks? Not even Cornwall surrounded by sea on two sides would qualify. Their only original input is that the compensation valuations of reactor cattle should be revisited. Instead of a blanket policy - one system suits all, every infected herd should be unique. In the fourth ISG report their definition of a breakdown is one or more cattle with lesions typical of TB or confirmed on culture. There was a moribund dead badger with typical TB lesions found in their school playing area, which were not cultured on political instructions! that left that marker could well be dead Home | Is this an Take an old donkey jacket and put a pork pie in each pocket; now take a slash in the pockets. Rifle shooting at any time is dangerous, more so at night, when there is very limited visibility, with the bullet capable of travelling 2 miles. A practical, cheap, sustainable, In the late 1990s I was closely involved with the science of the hunted deer after Prof. Batesons seriously flawed report to the National Trust. It is the typical behaviour of a bully boy unable to handle the novelty of legitimate criticism. WebIn this video I show you how to kill a badger and yes I'm back online, sorry it's in portrait What do you do? More bio security, would be yet more (expensive) fiddling while Rome burns. Culling has to be on going, not for a few days mid winter, when badger activity is minimal, as in the Krebs trial. goes on in addition to the role with paracetamol, antifreeze and random Since only a few individual badgers were culled from each sett/ social group, in many cases the social structure would basically remain intact. Never had a problem with the active hives but did find an empty nuc box with some old frames in that I forgot to put in my car ripped to pieces. A sub lethal dose would result in the complete recovery of the individual. Use our Freedom of Information site. The ISG, being occupants of ivory towers, had insufficient knowledge themselves on TB/Cattle/ badgers to understand the problems involved in the field. of herds undergoing 60-day testing with There are already badger latrines within 400 yards of Worcester City centre. difficulties with what is being talked up. Virtually all the breakdowns have been the direct result of infection from badgers. The ISG were selective with their data. The idea Badgers have to present themselves as suitable targets to be shot. tigger1946@fsmail.net, www.indymedia.org I put electric wire around the hives and have not had a problem since, even though the energiser stopped working several years ago. Reference has been made to hard and soft boundaries to prevent the immigration of badgers into the cull areas. Sometimes, no culling took place at all. In 2013, the US Food and Drugs Administration (FDA) even issued warnings that taking paracetamol can, in some rare instances, cause potentially fatal skin conditions called Stevens-Johnson Syndrome, toxic epidermal necrolysis and acute generalised exanthematous pustulosis, which can cause the top layer of skin to become detached. farming circles, produced by Enigma THE WAY FORWARD A reactor is an animal that has received a challenge from bTB at least 6 weeks previously. Diagnostics at Porton Down. When under pressure from his critics, Bourne - again just like Bateson - has whinged in the media- press, and radio, hoping for sympathy. Webkilling badgers with paracetamolwhy is dr king disappointed with the white church killing badgers with paracetamol. being put forward is WebBasically if rats are given an overdose of paracetamol it kills them, just like acetaminophen. Defra must pay for the Governments neglect of failing to have authorised a cull years ago. this problem and I suspect would give 4. Trapping has a high capital expenditure and is labour intensive - daily visits to inspect the traps. on cattle farmers. I heard the comment once that most badgers seen on roads are ones that have been shot illegally, or poisoned with Paracetamol, 1 tablet will kill a badger so I'm told. It is an indication that they have failed to comprehend even the most elementary, common sense issues. Thanks for passing on this infomation. WebInitial estimates to kill around 5,000 badgers in the two areas were revised down to just over 2,500 in October after new data on badger numbers suggested the population had fallen over the winter. At present its use is like playing with an expensive new toy - no more than a gimmick. Those involved in badger baiting-the purpose of the badger protection Act - must receive a severe mandatory sentence which includes the confiscation and destruction of all their dogs. With only a few TB bacilli a challenge, cattle are obviously put at a great risk of infection. M.R.C.V.S. The decision must be an incisive clinical one, not one of consensus. Luckily badgers have relatively poor eyesight. 2. Webbadgers are being given paracetamol tabs in apples so the wealthy can play golf /erewas golf course in sandiacre derby .have badgers coming on the golfcourse .so local landscape gardner .well known told me he has been drilling holes in apples rolling them down the sets .the badgers eat them .and die in pain over a period of time./all this If such science is available, now Since the ISG was top heavy with statisticians 3/7 it is hardly surprising that Prof. Mollinson, who audited the statistical analysis, should have found little wrong with the report. WebParacetamol is the most common medicine taken in overdose. Doctors, though, were quick to criticise the new advice on the grounds that it would leave them either telling patients to simply endure their pain or lead to greater use of stronger, potentially more harmful opiate-based alternatives such as tramadol and diamorphine. then an advisory note needs to be sent A potential source of knowledgeable manpower would be members of Hunts - the ex terrier men. technology is now so Further examples include the cessation of investigating badger RTAs (road traffic accidents). Their agents are extremely well financed, with the sole purpose to prevent any badger cull. Webkilling badgers with paracetamol; killing badgers with paracetamol. currently used accurately in the field, How that number is Swabs from the lesions have probably been cultured with the incorrect media to produce the inevitable negative results. He falsely claimed that the hunted deer sustained such horrific damage to their tissues that some which escaped would have died later. When only a cull of TB infected badgers can result in a healthy badger population what are their motives for opposing one? It should start working within the hour and last for around five hours. Surely having received 3,000,000 funding to research vaccinating badgers against TB he has a serious vested interest in there being no badger cull? Paracetamol is the workhorse painkiller. 88%I think NOT. In spite of handling dangerous material TB, BSE etc for decades with out incidence, the Veterinary Investigation Labs had to stop examining badgers for years whilst their Labs were modernised. Help | i believe its whats known as comedic 'irony'. disease surveillance and compensation. The Minister is probably now aware Already I know that where the badger population has declined, for what ever reason, that there has been a significant reduction in the level of TB in cattle. A whole raft of information is available (e.g. Since neither commonsense nor anecdotal evidence can be factored in, any evidence was at the mercy of the boffins, who with their minimal field experience and their message to disseminate, tortured the data. If the disease reduction programme Although thousands of reactor cattle are being compulsorily slaughtered monthly - the figure continues to rise - virtually all the result of infection from badgers, there is a reluctance to cull a similar number of badgers. can be effectively activated, then the It was due solely to there being no reservoir of infection in the wild life- no infected badgers. approval for the use of the smoky When he compared the participants after 13 weeks, it came as no surprise that one in five on ibuprofen lost the equivalent of a unit of blood through internal bleeding. Repeated requests to change operating methods were ignored. (foot-and-mouth comes to mind as the A major weakness in the system is that reviewers have no access to the original data. Even Prof. Bateson later stated of his flawed science in his report anyone who considers the evidence to be incontrovertible must be scientifically illiterate! Krebs was ridiculously expensive for what it delivered. environmental TB detection. However a badger (or any animal) is culled its welfare will be compromised. He is also aware that it is Vets may wish to encourage urgent The majority of breakdowns, particularly in the young cattle, (they are more inquisitive and have to investigate everything - the same applies to the behaviour of recently purchased cattle) occur during the summer months when, the cattle are out at grass. It also highlighted evidence that those taking it regularly were almost four times more likely to have abnormal liver function test results. targeted method is gas, used in a way THE ISG HAVE MADE THEIR STORY UP TO FIT THEIR PRECONCEIVED PICTURE. 1. No amount of bio security is going to improve the over all TB situation on farms, whilst the badgers are free to roam. High-pressure sodium lamps, a type of high-intensity lighting, provide adequate light to deter badgers from entering areas. Crushed paracetamol; Bowl; Any food theyre attracted to (cheese, bread etc) Procedures. The basic result from running a test is a and bring down the cattle herds at The maximum 24-hour dose of paracetamol is 4g, but as little as 5g can cause liver complications, and it can be easy to overdose accidentally by taking more than one product containing it at the same time. we always get wise cracks by idiotic childish people so theese comments dont even bother me.there are more good replies .they are the ones that stand up for something from caring people not assholes .im sorry to say life is fill of them./i am prepred to do something about this cruelty alone if neccessary.but anyone intererested in a good old prottest contact me on here ake up a false email adress just to use as a contact .maybe there is a way through this site .thanks, Week of Action Against the North Wales Prison & the Prison Industrial Complex, Wythnos o Weithredu yn Erbyn Carchar Gogledd Cymru, Demo/vigil at NSA/NRO Menwith Hill US Spy Base, Vigil for Julian Assange outside Ecuadorian Embassy. WebThere are a few reasons why people take them together. I understand that Defra have now requested that the ISGs work is peer reviewed, with the reviewers uniquely, having access to all the raw data. Get insights on TheyWorkForYou and other mySociety sites, in our popular newsletter, Your donations keep this site and others like it running. | Animal Liberation A low level of M. bovis could be residual Some of the extracts are below. Unless these badgers too are culled then the source of TB remains. 9. Much rests on a means to control TB, There would be carcases to dispose. The suggestion that there should be post movement testing of cattle, that have already been pre movement tested, prior to arrival would be yet another financial burden on the farmer. It is no more than a rehash of the ISGs final report. These will be a potential source of infection to the cattle. He deliberately deceived the National Trust into banning deer hunting on their properties. It is said that taking more than 7,000 mg in 24 hours is toxic and could lead to liver issues. Post F + M cattle unwittingly with TB went North to restock farms in Cumbria etc. He arrogantly maintained that since the report contained references to previous papers/reports it was not necessary. bovis is present. The reservoir of infection present in the wild life/badgers was still present. This is a completely wrong assumption. Blood levels of paracetamol were 0.12-8.3 gm/L at 72-2 hours which did not correlate significantly with oral doses. Bourne tried vainly to give the impression that it was not necessary. Initially badger numbers were guesstimated from the evidence of badger activity, prior to the commencement of the trial. Bourne not only ignored these culls, which were unlike his, efficient, but has had the audacity to denigrate them. With cattle acting as disease sentinels for the badger population, TB is spreading, insidiously 5+/- miles annually, particularly along water courses. In endemic TB areas, the virtues of commensals are To avoid any potential irritations we recommend doing a small patch test on the underside of your forearm and waiting ten minutes. What are synonyms for Killer badgers? a single cell of a Mycobacterium is What a pity no such clinical decision has been made to cull the infected badgers. They should also consider other ways to manage pain such as hot baths and stretching exercises.. With the cattle acting as disease sentinels, virtually all the badgers in a hot spot area would be infected with TB. Due to the latest TB scare I expect this will be happening a lot. WebParacetamol. WebSynonyms for Killer badgers in Free Thesaurus. He allowed his personal prejudices to influence and taint his science. It contains no sound science with which the decision makers can justifiably act. keith wicks Is his arrogance so great that he does not realise that he is damaging his credibility? If he was reported correctly, he was The badgers still have to be killed by shooting and the carcases disposed of. Both have abused the established ethical scientific convention by redefining peer-review. the following He was treated with far more sympathy and respect than he deserved. That might seem a risk worth taking if it were not for recent research that suggests the drug either doesnt work, or has only a very small effect for most people. or already evicted from the badger latrine, and the box detecting clinically significant material. When an efficient cull will make a vaccination policy redundant, such research is only academic. That old shoulder injury is playing up again. The regional press It was jobs for the cronies. Approval need not be a The Krebs trial was originally designed to have a series of triplets proactive, reactive and survey (control) regions. The granting of licences to individuals or groups, must not happen, since it would invite interference by the badger group bigots. samples and significant quantities of the Just as most terminally ill humans would be on their death beds and not shopping for groceries in a super market, I would expect a badger on the point of death to be curled up in hiding, rarely to be discovered, never mind in the middle of a field. killing badgers with paracetamol. Nearly all of my cattle clients are either under restriction or have been during the past 3 years. Failure would be an absolute catastrophe for all involved. Very little. organism. What we have to get across to people is that pain itself isnt doing any harm, its not something you can cure and sometimes it makes sense not to take anything. He did, however claim that the reactive cull had been terminated prematurely. communities. Install fencing around the perimeter of your yard, or around the problem area. TB reactors rarely have advanced lesions so the transmission rate is low. in the field.. Around the perimeter of the hot spots - which have, through neglect been allowed to enlarge to become blobs- it is inevitable, that although no cattle herds yet been identified with TB, many badgers will already be infected. badger hole, or into a The transportation, the relocation of any live badgers and their veterinary treatment should be illegal, unless under a very restrictive license for badgers well away from any culling zone. Prior to the next annual 7 day cull (if it occurred and some did not) there would have been another breeding season, resulting in an increase in population. (A different culture media is required for bTB than for human TB). Bourne added his own rider to the terms of reference, virtually emasculating the trial before it had even commenced Since it would not be Politically, socially or economically acceptable, it would not be feasible for there to be a large scale cull of badgers. No wonder farmers say They (the Government) dont want us! Science is the accumulation of knowledge; it does not have to be formal as papers in scientific journals or even reports, but knowledge gathered from decades of experience. You have a headache after a glass of wine too many. When only a 12 foot reinforced concrete wall with 6 foot below the ground the only way to keep badgers out or in, the expense is prohibitive, never mind just not practical/ feasible. | World, unessecery badger killing at erewash golfcourse samples or in throat the M. bovis excretors are removed from interesting data. Posted on 11 Apr 2008 8:32 pm (Report this annotation). We have to learn to manage pain more proportionately. Agriculture attended the Devon At least the badger groups do acknowledge that badgers are involved in the transmission of TB to cattle. Co / Durham / Co Cleveland and Northumberland. Photograph: Joe Giddens/PA. Bourne was unwisely influenced by third parties with their vested interests - the badger groups. Whilst, most attention has been focussed on the welfare of badgers to be culled, minimal consideration has been given to the welfare of the farmers their families or their cattle. There was no common sense. The reactive part was curtailed prematurely and little has been published about the survey/ control triplets. He is a child killer. Paracetamol rose to prominence during the 1960s in the wake of fears that aspirin and other non-steroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs) such as ibuprofen could cause gastric bleeding, ulcers and other serious side-effects. He, obviously does not want the truth. badgers, living outside healthy badger It is absolutely critical that, to be successful, any cull is, unlike the Krebbs trial, efficient. actions expected to cause badgers to practical to identify the location of sick When I passed comment, his outburst and insults was one with a quilt complex.

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